The Reverend Sue Parfitt, from Bristol, was detained for holding a placard that read: “I oppose genocide. I support Palestine Action.” She was among more than 27 people arrested on Saturday for acts of defiance against the proscription.
Uh, I’ve had enuff of shitty news; let’s switch to another timeline.
Look at that diabolical criminal. I hope they reopen London tower just to hang her from it. After she bakes everyone cookies with afternoon tea.
If she were in the US, she would be pushed to the ground and beaten by a bunch of white guys in riot gear and masks.
What a nice silver lining
Arresting prominent protest figures has always ended well for the UK. /s
Why is the UK against people backing Mandatory Palestine?
Because they helped set israel up and have to be allied with them.
The joke is that Mandatory Palestine was the name of the British colony before they gave the land to Israel
Oh, thank you for explaining!
I dont know exactly but they are quite fond of bringing the iran monarchy back. Maybe something something oil
Mandatory Palestine
the UK is against backing “Palestine Action” which is a group that has sabotaged British military equipment. Surprisingly, the British government doesn’t take kindly to that sort of thing.
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Charming.
There is such a thing as context. Red paint on a street is an annoyance (and may make for very visible and effective protest). Red paint on hi-tech equipment is sabotage (and makes for very unpleasant reactions by the owners of said equipment).
It’s sabotage. It’s not terrorism. The gov is wrong to proscribe this group, you must see that? Regardless of your stance on the issue, this is an anti democratic move by Labour.
Sabotage can absolutely be terrorism. In this case probably not, but the British government has a valid reason to oppose this specific group.
I didn’t mean to say say sabotage could not be terrorism in general, I’m agreeing that this is absolutely sabotage, but in this case it is not terrorism. The govt do not have a valid reason to proscribe them as a terrorist organisation. There are other available methods of opposition.
Terrorism is generally linked with a risk to personal safety at the very least, not mere property damage. These people are criminals, not terrorists.I can agree with that.
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As someone stated… The police are not your friend. They are not there to serve and protect your interests. They are there to serve and protect the interests of the state you live in.
The other day my wife’s car stopped at a busy road. The police quickly arrived and asked if she had crashed on to my car. Like how can we take this unfortunate event and turn it into a profitable situation where they can impound the car…oh it’s just engine failure, well you’re blocking the road so I’ll call the most expensive possible tow truck. How can we make your day worse?
It’s so sad that it comes to this in some area’s of the world.
“Are we the baddies?”
-Said exactly 0 of the cops
I support Palestine Action - illegal
I support Action for Palestine - legal
As a Brit I still support Palestine Action and will be getting involved in more direct action.
One at me piggies.
I’m honestly impressed that a left wing organisation lasted long enough to get themselves banned.
They usually split into a dozen warring factions within a month.
I support P.A.
gets arrested
I said I support Pennsylvania, the US State!
Feckless cowards.
Genocide accomplices!
Everyone involved with this “law” should be tried and hung in the Hague for aiding and abetting crimes against humanity.
Let’s not hang people in The Hague now
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Maybe change Germany to the country the post is related to after copy and pasting this, it’s not they’re the only one.
Just wondering, if I would hold up a sign with ‘go isreal, continue the amazing work you do!’, would that get me arrested? Surely i’d get beat up but i mean what would the lawmakers think of that? Would it be different if the sign would say ‘go isreal, murder those innocent families’ or ‘go isreal, your genocide rules!’ (am i allowed to call it a genocide if i’m not against it?)
in some countries even holding empty sign would lead you to arrest
make is sarcastic, the British way.
go on the telly, then show them a mirror to themselves. talk how excited you are for how many humanitarian volunteers are being slaughtered, how clever is it to stave children so they can take their land…
None of those signs would lead to your arrest in the UK.
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Why are you talking about Hamas in a thread about Palestine Action? The two groups are not related at all and use totally different tactics (Palestine Action is explicitly non-violent).
How did this get 5 upvotes lol
I think more people have alts on lemmy than we’d like to admit. Particularly when they’re accounts spewing hasbara propaganda.
Unidan is taking AIPAC money.
There is only one context in which Palestine Action is “a terrorist organization such as Hamas” and that’s the depraved legislation that the idiots in Westminster passed. The bravery of the 83 year old priest this article is about lays bare the depravity and stupidity of this absolutely idiotic legislation. Your comment on the other hand, by using this idiotic comparison buys into this aberrant degeneracy. Why do you do that?
without explicitly showing your allegiance
So you assume by default that there’s either an explicit or implicit support for Hamas by protesting against Israel?
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So support for Palestinians is only ok if you don’t support the one thing Palestinians could actually do to stop the senseless slaughter of more Palestinians- armed revolutionary action?
So basically one can only wave a flag and cheer against the slaughter of Palestinians by Israel while vilifying the group that Israel deems it’s enemy for checks notes dealing back the same damage dealt to Palestinians for over a century now since Zionist terrorist cells who would become the Israeli military intelligence apparatus and political elite, waged campaigns of massacres, bombings and assassinations all across British mandatory Palestine forcing the British to leave their occupation and the un to split the territory 55/45 in zionists favor. So essentially we are denied to cheer on reciprocal retribution by a population clearly wronged through decades of subjugation, brutal Oppression and genocide because of the sensibilities of colonial capitalist imperialism?
Got it
Where did they show support for Hamas?
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Yeah, they’re the ones arguing in bad faith 🙄
“Stop arguing in bad faith” *proceeds to immediately make the most bad faith argument I have seen in this thread*
trying to stop delivering arms to a terrorist group commiting genocide: terrorism
commiting genocide and deliberately killing, maiming, starving and playing cruel games with the lives of civilians and literal children: not terrorism
talk about bad faith… fuck off with all that.
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OK but where is the explicit support for Hamas that this woman was allegedly demonstrating. “Hamas” doesn’t appear in the article.
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What the fuck even is this comment, lol
Oh, I see, you think that just because the UK labeled Palestine Action a terrorist group, they actually are?
…
Hey, come on over, I got a bridge to sell you!
ICE is a terrorist organization. MAGA is a terrorist organization. You must be really against both of those things, eh? They use fear tactics and scaremongering, and when that doesn’t work, they get violent real quick. And they are based on both political and religious ideology to boot!
the IOF is a terrorist organization. much bigger, more prolific and active than Hamas as well. literally a war criminal organization. funny how you never hear people getting arrested for supporting the IOF though.
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But how would I telegraph my desire to murder the Jews if I did that?
To simply imagine Palestine without settlers, to simply imagine a sky without drones—that, in the Zionist imagination, is genocidal. If you stick with the “want” of the charge, the notion that Palestinians want to kill all Jews, you find that Zionism is at war with our future. It is at war with our ability to articulate, even if only through poems and protest chants, a future in which Zionism does not reign. For in the past 100 years, Zionism has situated us in a condition of constant dispossession and premature death; our Nakba remains and renews. We are besieged in an inescapable, eternal present tense.
Mohammed El-Kurd
What really happened here: Members of this Palestine Action group sneaked onto a military base and attacked the aircrafts there. This act of politically motivated vandalism resulted in this group being officially banned by the government. Which is totally ok, no state in the world will and can tolerate some group doing acts of terrorism and/or doing sabotage.
Supporting banned terrorist organizations is of course also not allowed (which really makes sense) and yeah, this priest totally did that on purpose. You are therefore totally fine holding up a sign supporting Israel and you are also totally fine holding up a sign supporting Palestine, but you are not fine holding up signs supporting banned organizations.
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Nah, Labeling them as “terrorists” is disproportionate.
Criminals, yes. Terrorists, no.
The definition of terrorism under british law can apply to basically any protest group and if applied retroactively would drag things like the suffragette movement under the umbrella of terrorism.
This move is an assault on all of our freedom of speech
You’re equating vandalism to terrorism, you might want to look up the meaning of those words.
The British House of Commons voted by 385 votes to 26 to add Palestine Action to the list of terrorist groups proscribed under the Terrorism Act. Maybe you want to tell us why your definition of terrorism is different from the one in the British parliament?
The UK is a zionist occupied government.
Because they are unfairly biased in favor of Israel. The U.S. has shown its bias by denying the war crimes that every serious scholar has agreed is happening. The state of Israel itself has tried to shoehorn “criticism of the state of Israel” into the definition of antisemitism.
Governments will stretch and distort definitions to suit their purposes.
Because i’m not a hypocrite, unlike the british parliament.
That vote just shows us the British House of Commons is full of racists. Nothing new there.
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Attacked aircraft? By smacking the landing gear with her walker?
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Please inform yourself: People of the Palestine Action group have sneaked upon a british military airfield and sprayed paint into the jet engines of several RAF planes.
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So? Did the paint damage the planes? The RAF should give them an award for exposing the vulnerabilities in its security measures.
Yes, putting paint into a jet engine damages a jet engine.
Bootlicker
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What really happened is already in the article, my questions are about how lawmakers would respond if you openly support the same side they are supporting. That is especially relevant as r i don’t expect regular folk to let me walk around showing the same kind of support for genocide. This has nothing to do with the Palestine Action group and what they did or didn’t do.
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Now I understand more closely Starmer’s subservience to America’s Donald Trump.
Zion Don inspired Kier to up his slobbering and bootlicking.
They’re calling these people terrorists for holding signs calling for the end of Israel’s genocide. They’re not calling the people who have been committing genocide every day terrorists: they’re valuable allies. This is the UK Government’s morality. I hope it’s not shared by the British people.
Technically it’s because some members of the group trespassed in a military base and vandalised an airplane. Which is trespassing and vandalism. Not terrorism. Unless Starmer has been watching too much Thomas & the Friends and Pixar’s Cars and believes that the poor planes can’t sleep at night anymore, because they are terrified.
Also, even if a few members organize themselves to do that, that doesn’t mean the entire organization supports it or is behind it.
“We’re civilised people, we can excuse genocide, but throwing paint and saying mean words is a step too far.”
Some definitions of Terrorism also include property damage
Oooh, waaah, muh paint!
Big deal. The UK has billions of pounds from selling arms to the Apartheid Zionist state
On the outside of the engine I agree.
On the inside there are moving parts that probably don’t like increased friction, so they probably have to take the whole thing apart to remove the paint.
It’s still not really destruction of property.
Big deal. The UK has billions of pounds from selling arms to the genocidal apartheid zionist state.
Well definitions can include anything and everything. They can also be debased to the point of being useless, or in the case of crimes of being the engine of witch hunts.
I do not believe inanimate objects can experience terror, so I also don’t agree with the definition. But I don’t write the laws.
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Polling consistently shows disapproval for Israeli actions in Gaza.
It is not
What if it is an excuse to put people that openly oppose colonialism and authority under control and fear? They maybe don’t care that much for Israel but why miss this opportunity?
No they’re not. There’s a difference between “Palestine Action” (the group) and “actions and other stuff in favour of Palestine”. The former has been banned, the latter has not. Protesting is legal in the UK; vandalising Air Force equipment is not.
Damaging equipment that is being used to conduct genocide is not vandalism, it’s human fucking decency.
True, but I wasn’t aware that the RAF are currently flying sorties into any ongoing genocide.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ceqg440v0gxo
They are not doing the bombing in Gaza. They are protecting the ones doing the bombing in Gaza.
You might want to re-read that article. It doesn’t mention Gaza once. Here are some quotes:
“fighting between Israel and Iran”
“protect UK personnel and bases in the Middle East”
“we’ve never been involved in attacking with Israel”
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Oh I’m sorry, I thought the recent moves deepening the existing framework was proof enough. You want to go back instead.
Let’s try this one: https://aje.io/78f3r5
how dare you bring logic to a circlejerk
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Yes, that is vandalism by definition.
“Vandalism is the action involving deliberate destruction of or damage to public or private property.[1] The term includes property damage, such as graffiti and defacement directed towards any property without permission of the owner.”
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That’s sounds like vandalism, which confirms what the other guy said.
And there’s no need for insults.
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That’s the definition of vandalism. Feel free to open a dictionary and educate yourself.
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What has point of sale to do with genocide?
Please tell me where you park your car and your number plate. I will then throw red paint on it. If a bit of paint can damage your car, why did you spend 40.000€ on it?
Just listen to yourself - of course throwing paint into an aircraft engine will damage a plane. This is exactly why this group did it. And there is nothing to prevent this - throwing paint will destroy every engine and esp. jet engines. If you do not believe me, throw a bucket of paint into your car engine. You can support Palestine, but please use your brain and try to think about some things before posting. You can do better than this.
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Does Israel have dirt on all these people? Its wild how everyone just supports genocide so willingly.
Yeah, Epstein was just the tip of the iceberg.
The entirety of the current Government owe their jobs to Israel, as the last leader of their party - Jeremy Corbyn - was kicked out opening the way for these ones to get power after a campaign of slanders of anti-semitism backed amongst others by Israeli-linked Jewish groups in the UK which was so extreme that at one point a Jewish Holocaust Survivor was said to be an anti-semite for what he said in a conference for Palestine in order to taint Jeremy Corbyn by association, as he was sitting in the same panel in that conference and “didn’t rise up to dispute it”.
Since Britain also has First Past The Post like the US, getting the leadership of that party was a guaranteed path to Government since that party was the next in line in the power cycle over there.
So these people were basically bought by Israel.
The west strongest countries are neocolonial powers supporting a colonial power
the strongest countries, period.
China and Russia are colonial powers, too.
China and Russia are colonial powers, too.
Crazy how tankies think it’s only ok if you do it to your neighbours.
To be fair, China does it all over, especially in Africa. Russia probably would too if they could.
The Russian Federation is de facto a Moscowite empire. And they are trying their best to annex more countries into their “Federation”.
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I don’t know if you just don’t know how conversations work, but it follows pretty reasonably. It didn’t come from no where. First someone complained about “the west” doing colonialism. Then someone corrected that all major powers do it. Finally someone points out that tankies only complain about “the west” and never China or Russia who do the same things.
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Whining about china
So guess you’re paycheck doesn’t come from Russia then
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Every western government is scared of opposing Israel since WW2. It’s absurd.
Politicians only care about being elected.
How exactly does supporting genocide get them elected? I don’t get the impression that Labour voters want to see Palestinians murdered.
Money
It’s been proven that most of the time, whoever spends the most wins.
The UK has spending limits which mitigates that. https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/party-spending-and-pre-poll-donations-and-loans-uk-parliamentary-general-election/spending-limit
Does this include quid-pro-quos like being invited to speak somewhere or providing lip service to a certain political party? Not all transactions can be measured in terms of monetary values. Think of ‘we don’t mind supplying you with state-of-the-art spyware, but we can’t do that if you make life hard on us and speak out against the genocide we’re committing’.
The fact that labour is propping up and financially supporting this is awful, we are somewhat complicit in this genocide too. Didn’t fucking vote for this.
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The care about holding the power. They don’t give a shit about elections. It’s just that they need them to legitimize their regime.
And their donors
What makes you think they are backing israel only because of blackmail? They are arresting a 83 year old for opposing a genocide, our governments are shit and always have been, can’t you see it?
