The truth:
windows is the one that should be the toy wheel here.
macos is unix, and quite solid
and im a big apple hater.
Lol, call me back when they support bsd jails. Or a five button mouse. Or a decent amount of RAM. Or a package manager. Or more than 2 ports. Or an SDCard slot
i mean, its obviously no linux…
wait, it doesn’t support five button mice?
no way this has to exist 😂
I have always hated Apple the company… the products are way too overpriced and nerfd but Ok overall
Maybe decades ago, but not now.
Yeah, Mac stuff is white or silver now. They stopped doing the colourful stuff 20-odd years ago.
Mac osx has unix command prompts built in and the ability to containerize out of the gate. Windows requires WSL and a bunch of other shit to achieve a substantially worse effect.
The out of the box containerization is still pretty new though — it’s like a month old
Exactly. Modern Windows is like Tesla - shiny exterior built on top of garbage cobbled together with paperclips and duct tape. No visible knobs, no easy to access features, everything hidden behind layers of needless menus and abstraction with the express goal to extract maximum value from their ‘customers’.
I’m not an Apple fanboy by any means but I feel like the two ecosystems are much closer now than they were 10-15 years ago.
Kids use Chromebooks everywhere I’ve seen the past 5+ years.
Not even decades ago. ResEdit was one way we hacked old Macs back in the day.
It’s an older meme sir but it doesn’t check out anymore.
For the love of Pete, not this again.
Many flavors of Linux are more simple and user friendly than Windows or Mac.
Mac is unix-based and very similar to Linux in many ways.
Windows is like that car that Homer Simpson designed.
Inaccurate.
If you’re a Linux user why wouldn’t you unlock MacOS’ potential by using the command line? MacOS is UNIX based, so you have access to its guts, just as you would any other UNIX based system.
Exactly. MacOS is the best of both worlds; it’s my absolute favorite distro of BSD.
It’s not just UNIX based; it is a certified UNIX OS:
https://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/register/Hence the “based”
/bin/bash -c "$(curl -fsSL https://raw.githubusercontent.com/Homebrew/install/HEAD/install.sh)"Homebrew, plus some VMs, and you get the best of all platforms in one computer.
This used to be particularly awesome when macOS was intel based, as now running an intel based machine image on apple’s ARM architecture is awkward by comparison, but hopefully that will resolve somewhat soon.
Apple silicon is sick. I’m salivating for a Linux distro dedicated to Apple M chips.
You mean Asahi?
I believe that’s the name of the project. It’s early days and I can’t wait until it is properly developed.
but hopefully that will resolve somewhat soon
By converting everyone to ARM !!!
Because I’m not going to willingly give my creative efforts over to a corporation that will hold it hostage and only allow me to work so long as I’m using only their products.
I mean, yeah, screw using Logic but most major DAWs run on macOS as well as Windows. Up until Linux pulls its finger out its arse on audio it’s pawbably going to stay a macOS dominated industry.
My DAC has been fully supported by pipewire for like 2 years now. Bitwig Studio works flawlessly up to my 192kHz.
Haven’t had to touch audio stuff in Linux since pipewire released. It’s a drop-in replacement for all the other apis.And audio “works” on Windows too. But both platforms historically have poor audio stacks.
Audio interfaces still face so many issues on Linux. Part of that might be down to drivers, and that’s on the manufacturers, but often there’s just excessive latency and stuttering.
I fixed all of that by following the suggestions on the Arch wiki page for Professional Audio, but I realize that not everyone knows about that.
Do those suggestions apply to other distros or only Arch?
They’re pretty distro-agnostic, you might have to translate some packages to whatever distro you’re using, but that’s just a quick search. The article in question
Do note that this requires some amount of fiddling, if that’s not your thing there are some distros that are already configured for audio production, such as AV Linux or Ubuntu Studio.
Until waves plugins run well on linux it will never be a mainstream audio os.
Not a problem with Linux. Pipewire works great and offers everything you need from an audio backend, there are great DAWs like Bitwig and Reaper and a good collection of compatible plugins as well. The main problem is hardware, which isn’t the fault of Linux but hardware manufacturers.
It’s easy to make that claim, but this has happened to me without even using ASIO, so it’s using the common standard audio interface mode.
That is just dumb. Most devs in tech I know default to Macs as their dev boxes. Macs are also the defacto workhorse for music, video production.
If you want to say that Macs don’t make for good servers, I’ll give you that, but saying they aren’t tools is just ignorant.
There used to be a mac server thing.
Guess I’ve been using a toy to administer Linux servers for the past 20 years. 🤷♂️
It’s technically possible to administer Linux servers with a Nintendo DS.
…Not sure where I was going with that, except to say that you can, in fact, do just that with an actual toy.
You could do it with any Turing-complete machine. But calling something that is actively and widely used to do technical work a toy is kind of ridiculous.
You’re not wrong there.
What’s considered real use in your opinion?
Hacking the matrix
@the_q linux/bsd/win10 with wsl? Of course, OSX is still useful like remote client and like dev machine for Apple devices, but not for everything else
OK first, way to telegraph your crusty age: it hasn’t been OSX for YEARS. macOS 10 was a long running release but we are on macOS 15 now, soon to be 16, though the name convention is switching to years instead of sequential version. If you have a machine still running OSX, yes by all means put ZorinOS or LMDE on it.
Second, I translated your comment as “I don’t know how to use it so it sux”.
Well that’s just objectively wrong.
You sound out of touch.
I approve. I don’t care if it’s unix based. MacOS is infantilism manifest.
“Right. You’re in. Listen. The only people we hate more than the Romans are the fucking Judean People’s Front.”
Splitters…
I’m gonna say windows is more like a cybertruck truck. Full of bloat, spyware, and half the features are not like to slice a finger off than do what it’s supposed to- and definitely not bullet proof.
This is some boomer level “hurr hurr” bullshit that is just patently not true. Keep giving Microsoft credit it doesn’t deserve.
Right? Windows is like a Tesla. One of those wankpanzers that cut off your fingers, brick in the car wash and immolate their drivers.
The trashing of the Apple machines is undeserved, but the Windows one is relatively accurate.
Windows is the thing that everybody uses, like a car. But, it should be a modern car where the car manufacturer requires you to pay a yearly subscription to unlock basic features that shipped with the car. It’s a car that you can’t fix yourself, and have to take to an authorized service station where they pay a fee to get access to the tools that allow them to diagnose the car.
I don’t know what the Mac one should be. A modern Mac is really powerful. It’s a Unix machine with a clean and polished UI. But, it’s true that it shields the average user from the complexity if they don’t want to dig deeper. Maybe it’s a modern Bugatti. A luxurious vehicle that has obscene power under the hood.
I’d reverse Windows and Mac. Mac is sleek, smooth, pleasant, well integrated, solid, stable, and has a good shell. They have great machines with great specs and are well built. They also take some learning to become efficient with.
Windows on the other hand, is cheap, buggy, ugly, unstable, comes pre-packaged with flashy junk, breaks easily, any child can use it and then break it.
I completely agree. As a software developer I preferred when I had a Mac whereas our company uses Windows and Microsoft for everything and it just meh.
Mac was so easy to do everything from the terminal or the search bar.
Plus I like how they have the Homebrew packaging system to install pretty much anything you need.
Windows has something similar with chocolatey but it’s just not as complete. It’s not *nix apps either.
Flip Windows and macOS and I think the meme works again.
I think there is an argument to be made here. About window shitty, inconsistent, obscure ui. That you constantly have to Google to figure out where are your settings. unlike macOs much more streamline UI
This is Mac
And this is Windows
Jeepers. These comments. I agree with you. I love Linux, but, unless you’re lucky enough to have perfect hardware, Linux is still a bit hard to use. Mac and Windows are heading that way too. Macs require a Mac, and new Windows PCs have hardware requirements as well. I’m on my third distro for one of my Linux PCs because of hardware issues. I love Linux, but sometimes it’s a pain.
As an engineer, I would rather develop on Mac than any other OS. I have shit to do and need to work in a POSIX compliant OS without bloat, while also not worrying about my OS install getting borked arbitrarily because I looked at it wrong.
Weird, I’ve been forced to use a Mac for work, never liked it. I prefer Debian or other non-rolling-release distros with long term support, and haven’t had a Linux install get messed up in many years (since I used Arch, and something went wrong with my proprietary Nvidia drivers after an update).
I enjoyed using a MBP for a few years, mostly for the trackpad. I eventually grew too annoyed with the desktop crashes and iCloud bloat though. I built a new Linux workstation last year, and it just feels like home 🐧.
As another engineer, I won’t touch another Mac until it allows me to upgrade memory and disk without buying a whole other unit.
Never had to upgrade memory or disk in the lifespan of the machine. What really makes a difference though is 20 hours of battery life. You can run around the office without worrying about staying plugged in.
You know macOS ships with a terminal ootb, right? There’s a reason it’s a massively popular option for devs.
Windows needs to be big brother watching at all times while forcing ads down your throat.
Apple just needs a very high price tag.
Even that needs a disclaimer. I was ordering some SFF PCs for my org last week and was kind of shocked how much the Lenovo and Dell PCs in that form factor were… out of curiosity I specc’d a Mac Mini with the same RAM and storage and they came in a little cheaper with a better processor. Only caveat is the lack of USB A ports, but dongles are super cheap anyway. If my users wouldn’t need training to use them I would definitely have considered (maybe even preferred from a device management perspective) the Mac Mini.
Factor in an energy cost savings as part of the TCO. A M4 Mini will save considerable energy over any comparable machine.
Managing Mac’s compared to PCs is such a dream it’s soooooo easy
