100 years ago, great grandpa was teaching little Appalachian boys who didn’t wear shoes except in the winter.
82 years ago, grandad was a Torpedo Man 3rd class getting asbestos rained on his head every time my wife’s ancestors scored a close hit.
45 years ago, at my other great grandpa’s place in Louisiana, there were black families down the road living in shacks. However you’re picturing a shack, it was worse.
38 years ago, there was a sport called “f** bashing”. Hicks or punkers would wait for gays to come out the bar and beat the shit out of 'em.
38 years ago, we Gen X kids casually lived under threat of global thermonuclear war. Meh. No biggie.
Yeah, not only did efficiency go through the roof, everything got better.
I think the big thing is that they can and should be better than this, too. We shouldn’t have to settle when we’ve made enough abundance for everyone.
Personally, I still want people desperate enough to do shitty jobs like dealing with trash and sewage and people. But I think we have enough to pay those people good money, give them good healthcare, an otherwise comfortable financial life, let them work 32 hours a week, and let them retire at 65.
Basically what unions would have given is if they hadn’t been gutted.
You’re right, it’s the should be better that’s important. But I think we can say that about nearly every human culture in history. It’s just that now we can see how fucked up inequality is.
And the study that the claim is made from is fairly dubious. It really only applies to specific types of peasants, during a specific period of time, in specific locations, and counts certain types of infrequent religious breaks from work as a common place given.
In exchange for indoor plumbing, we don’t have the time to do our chores. In exchange for concrete foundations and plastic floors, the entire world is poisoned and we no longer have community bonds. In exchange for electricity, we lost nature
We work far more than we ever have, and for what? To destroy our bodies and live in anxiety of losing what we have?
What truly matters in life?
I’m not saying it’s all bad, but there’s a balance. We live in the most exciting times in history - it’s so absurdly convenient, but it’s also deeply horrible
I love the act of creation. I love molding the world around me. I would rather fix my shoes and repair my shirts than have shitty, unrepairable clothes made from plastic that just dissolve after a couple years
I think the connection between you and your personal things is good when it’s a long relationship of maintenance and restoration. I think it’s horrible when it’s short and replaceable
Then why don’t you? There is literally nothing stopping you from doing that.
Your clothing probably isn’t made of plastic. It’s probably made of cotton. If you’re buying unrepairable clothing that’s a choice you made, since I think all of my clothing is repairable and it wasn’t purchased with that intention.
I know why I don’t spend my time patching holes in my hand made underwear: it would be uncomfortable, and it would take more of my time than a 5 pack of underwear costs.
We didn’t invent all this stuff because we’re stupid. We invented it because owning one pair of pants for your adult life is just absolutely miserable.
I actually don’t believe you. Like I don’t think your shirt fell apart like that, and I don’t think you bought a plastic shirt.
Fabric lasting a long time isn’t odd. I’ve got a synthetic fabric gym bag from 20 years ago that’s fine. I’ve got a 10 year old synthetic blend shirt that’s never had an issue. I’ve got cotton shirts in the same range.
Synthetic fibers tend to be more expensive, and are more durable for the fabric weight. It’s why they use them for safety equipment.
You’re acting like none of us are familiar with clothes. Where are you buying disintegrating shirts, and why ? I’ve never encountered that and I’ve been wearing clothing for quite a while. I’ve only had any type of clothing tear like that if it snags on something like a nail.
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Honestly that’s a thing today as well. Though funny enough the current US admin is trying it’s best to remove the bread part of that and only keep the circus. Hopefully they find out the hard way why both are needed.
I mean, they’re definitely not providing the circus.
The phrase literally refers to giving people loaves of bread and a more frequent holding of games and public entertainment to keep people happy, not the notion of just distracted.
The current admin is making it harder for people to meet basic needs, and not doing anything to pump approval ratings.
A more modern sense would be to look for ways to make life easier that doesn’t fix anything, and to make life better that doesn’t improve anything, but has the perk of being explicitly because of the admin. A check for $500 and a set of movie tickets.
“What do you mean you work more hours than us for less in return? Doesn’t your king fear a revolt?”
We get less of a percentage of our work, but certainly get more absolute value.
The gains in efficiency over the last hundred years have been insane. Today’s crumbs are better than the whole cookie back then.
No more dirt floors, indoor plumbing, electricity, books, etc.
100 years ago, great grandpa was teaching little Appalachian boys who didn’t wear shoes except in the winter.
82 years ago, grandad was a Torpedo Man 3rd class getting asbestos rained on his head every time my wife’s ancestors scored a close hit.
45 years ago, at my other great grandpa’s place in Louisiana, there were black families down the road living in shacks. However you’re picturing a shack, it was worse.
38 years ago, there was a sport called “f** bashing”. Hicks or punkers would wait for gays to come out the bar and beat the shit out of 'em.
38 years ago, we Gen X kids casually lived under threat of global thermonuclear war. Meh. No biggie.
Yeah, not only did efficiency go through the roof, everything got better.
I think the big thing is that they can and should be better than this, too. We shouldn’t have to settle when we’ve made enough abundance for everyone.
Personally, I still want people desperate enough to do shitty jobs like dealing with trash and sewage and people. But I think we have enough to pay those people good money, give them good healthcare, an otherwise comfortable financial life, let them work 32 hours a week, and let them retire at 65.
Basically what unions would have given is if they hadn’t been gutted.
You’re right, it’s the should be better that’s important. But I think we can say that about nearly every human culture in history. It’s just that now we can see how fucked up inequality is.
And the study that the claim is made from is fairly dubious. It really only applies to specific types of peasants, during a specific period of time, in specific locations, and counts certain types of infrequent religious breaks from work as a common place given.
No, we get more convenience
In exchange for indoor plumbing, we don’t have the time to do our chores. In exchange for concrete foundations and plastic floors, the entire world is poisoned and we no longer have community bonds. In exchange for electricity, we lost nature
We work far more than we ever have, and for what? To destroy our bodies and live in anxiety of losing what we have?
What truly matters in life?
I’m not saying it’s all bad, but there’s a balance. We live in the most exciting times in history - it’s so absurdly convenient, but it’s also deeply horrible
You also don’t have to cobble your own shoes or darn your only pair of socks.
It isn’t a serious perspective to say that medieval peasants had it better than anyone in a first world country today.
Genuinely, I think your examples are negatives
I love the act of creation. I love molding the world around me. I would rather fix my shoes and repair my shirts than have shitty, unrepairable clothes made from plastic that just dissolve after a couple years
I think the connection between you and your personal things is good when it’s a long relationship of maintenance and restoration. I think it’s horrible when it’s short and replaceable
Then why don’t you? There is literally nothing stopping you from doing that.
Your clothing probably isn’t made of plastic. It’s probably made of cotton. If you’re buying unrepairable clothing that’s a choice you made, since I think all of my clothing is repairable and it wasn’t purchased with that intention.
I know why I don’t spend my time patching holes in my hand made underwear: it would be uncomfortable, and it would take more of my time than a 5 pack of underwear costs.
We didn’t invent all this stuff because we’re stupid. We invented it because owning one pair of pants for your adult life is just absolutely miserable.
I’m literally wearing a shirt from a decade ago right now. It is made of 100% cotton, and the underarms have ripped recently
Why? Because my more recent clothing dissolved we when I tugged at them gently. Just fucking fell apart, not even at the seams, just tore like paper
So I practice on the plastic bullshit so I can sew up the cotton when I need to
I actually don’t believe you. Like I don’t think your shirt fell apart like that, and I don’t think you bought a plastic shirt.
Fabric lasting a long time isn’t odd. I’ve got a synthetic fabric gym bag from 20 years ago that’s fine. I’ve got a 10 year old synthetic blend shirt that’s never had an issue. I’ve got cotton shirts in the same range.
Synthetic fibers tend to be more expensive, and are more durable for the fabric weight. It’s why they use them for safety equipment.
You’re acting like none of us are familiar with clothes. Where are you buying disintegrating shirts, and why ? I’ve never encountered that and I’ve been wearing clothing for quite a while. I’ve only had any type of clothing tear like that if it snags on something like a nail.
The romans figured that shit out a while ago already: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bread_and_circuses
Honestly that’s a thing today as well. Though funny enough the current US admin is trying it’s best to remove the bread part of that and only keep the circus. Hopefully they find out the hard way why both are needed.
I mean, they’re definitely not providing the circus.
The phrase literally refers to giving people loaves of bread and a more frequent holding of games and public entertainment to keep people happy, not the notion of just distracted.
The current admin is making it harder for people to meet basic needs, and not doing anything to pump approval ratings.
A more modern sense would be to look for ways to make life easier that doesn’t fix anything, and to make life better that doesn’t improve anything, but has the perk of being explicitly because of the admin. A check for $500 and a set of movie tickets.
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Oh they’re providing a circus. They’re all three rings.
The amount of stuff even a relatively poor person has in a developed country would be mind blowing for a medieval peasant.
“You have running water, hot water on demand, and pipes to carry your shit away to a far away land??? You must be the king of kings!”