It blows my mind that so many devs did not see this coming the moment Microsoft bought it. I was waiting for this to happen the moment I found out about the acquisition.
I’m only surprised it took this long.
Pretty sure I had Embrace Extend Extinguish as my ‘status’ when microsoft inevitably introduced that linkedin style social media bullshit to a git server.
Plenty of good alternatives out there, or roll your own!
Use Codeberg, or self-host Forgejo
All I want for Christmas in Forgejo federation.
*is
Dvorak layout, my bad. This typo happens way too often on phone.
I know that pain, brother. Colemak + 3 languages often plays tricks on my autocorrect.
Codeberg has a 750mb limit, for me that is not enough. I need to store asset data as well.
Split the repository? It’s not an unreasonable thing to do.
That said, FreeBSD’s repo is 2ish GiB, and Linux is 3, LLVM is huge too. Not unreasonable to want to mirror those.
If you ask nicely they can increase the limit :). They have the limit to avoid abuse with people storing movies or whatnot (the limit is a recent addition)
Thanks I ll try that
Good point! I wasn’t aware of that.
Im going to remove my Github content and host it just for myself in my own Forgejo at home.
Pity that the world is falling apart in so many ways.
As I said to the other person, the limit can be waved if you ask. They have it to avoid people abusing the system to store movies and stuff
I fully saw it when I heard but alas. I still need the green squares on my github page to get hired. Nobody looks at projects as much as the green squares.
I’m not a developer, but I can certainly understand your position. It’s unfortunate that companies rely on this type of company to decide if someone is worth hiring. There’s a need for companies to have streamlines that look at the actual capabilities and values of potential hires, regardless of where the evidences are hosted.
This world is way too broken, and getting worse every day.
It is laughably easy to fake those green squares that for a while, ages ago, I had some commit counts like 14000 or so… every single day.
There are so many tools to also fake human like commit counts for those pretty green squares that if I came to know of my senior engineers hiring on that basis, their estimation as interviewers in my eyes would take a nosedive.
I stopped sending updates to it and host my own gitlab now.
won’t ever look back.
Meaning you have your own machine to host on or how does it work?
yes. I have a rack in my basement and host gitlab out of one of my servers.
it’s available over LAN or VPN.
nightly backups to a nas and weekly syncs to S3.
S3 seems like a really expensive way to backup personal data. Are you doing it to achieve the offsite backup?
I currently dont have an offsite and im weighing up having a NAS at my parents place.
S3 is within my budget, but it can get expensive. and yes it’s my off site.
if I had someplace else I could trust like you mentioned I might do that but it’s just too much data to send.
my gitlab backups are around 80gb.
Hey have you considered lakefs based solutions for backups? I think you can set the retention rules up so that only backups upto so many months are retained and the rest are removed. That way only the diff in the backup files need to be uploaded.
I have not, I’ll take a look. thanks.
Everything M$ touches dies. What a fucking shocker.
Now if only they could work that magic on ICE and IDF. (Microsoft is in bed with both.)
Dies or gets hacked. They’re such a shit company.
So they’re just going to use GitHub as a code training dataset? Embrace, Extend, Extinguish.
Aren’t they already doing that?
Aren’t others already doing that?
The real question is…. WHY DOES AZURE DEVOPS STILL EXIST?!?!?
Our company runs everything on Azure. We use windows PCs, Visual Studio Professional, C# .Net, outlook, teams, etc.
We make enterprise software and I am happy really. I wasn’t at the start but as time goes on I don’t care, I do my job and go home.
Username checks out :)
The company I worked at got acquired by a big tech company. We’re switching from Google suite to Microsoft, Mac to Windows, Slack to Teams, etc. It’s pretty painful as transitions go, and if not for golden handcuffs I’d be gone.
I’m not sure if I’ll ever be happy with Visual Studio though, so I use Jetbrains Rider.
So your company either works with Microsoft or has a weird idea of security. Teams does not work without taking home to Microsoft. My company tried everything but couldn’t make it work, so they extended their Skype for business service for some years.
I hope they switch to Linux when this is over.
Been in business 20 years with regular pen testing and had no complaints and have some pretty large clients.
.Net is popular in the UK for enterprise.
Might do you well to make less assumptions.
Because businesses that use .NET are already paying for it with their visual studio subscription or higher Microsoft support. It’s a bare minimum product that has no incentive to improve because no one pays for it. But businesses force the use of it because “we’re already paying for it”
Ah, the age old Microsoft strategy of bundling.
Better than Jira IMO, but it’s just the one I use, so 🤷
This is the most infuriating, heartbreaking and lame thing ever. AI bros are just a bunch of losers ruining stuff for everyone.
crypto bros == AI bros
always have been ruining shit for everyone else.
And the unfortunate part is that crypto and LLMs are cool tech, but the bros completely ruin them.
don’t use the equality (==) operator, use strict equality instead (===)
crypto bros === AI bros
===is strict equality in only JS/TS though!
They’re all avatars of nvidia which themselves
are avatar of TSMC and the silicon chip
manufacturing industry. There are underlying
technological current are driving cultural movement …
Oh no “Culture is downstream from technology”
that is the most cyberpunk thing I’ve ever heardCULTURE IS DOWNSTREAM FROM TECHNOLOGY
I couldn’t find it, but there’s a moment where
spoiler
Cory Doctorow discusses how underlying technology
manufacturer end up controlling their downstream
consumer application of the technology in a
kind of “balance of power” of technologyI can’t find this passage at the moment,
I thought it was in the “war on general computing” speech,
but I can’t find it, I thought it was especially insightfulIn anycase there are the following links
DEF CON 32 - Disenshittify or die!
How hackers can seize the means of computation - Cory Doctorow https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EmstuO0Em8and
28c3: The coming war on general computation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUEvRyemKSg
shit, whats this going to mean for repos like massgrave? will microsoft enforce shitty policies against DIY software that’s published there if it violates somebody’s terms of use?
I’m finding this kind of Pikachu surprised face meme worthy, really.
We all know and knew that GitHub is Microsoft’s. We all know that Microsoft is fucking evil, yet everyone and their mother have their main repo management with GitHub.
W.T.F.
what did you expect would happen, sooner rather than later?
Well technically nothing has happened yet, but you can imagine the fun that is coming
I honestly don’t understand why Github hasn’t been abandoned by users at this point. If I were a company, I’d either go to the competition, who is just as good if not better, or host in-house if the means are there.
I’m just a freelancer and I gave up on github 3 years ago
Go with self hosted solutions, it’s really not that hard.
For a small to medium company it’s not necessarily worth it.
i’m having these same feelings about my youtube channel. they tell me i’m paranoid…
‘what, you think youtube is gonna go down?’
it’s not that i think it’s gonna go down, but it’s that nothing gold can stay. i gotta get some eggs in a different basket.
woah. I really didn’t know. I guess in that case it’s also strange it didn’t happen sooner
Just move to codeberg or a similar site.
https://git.disroot.org/explore/repos
Codeberg doesn’t allow inactive projects or non FOSS projects afaik
Codeberg doesn’t allow inactive projects or non FOSS projects afaik
if you’re hosting the code on codeberg, aint it foss?
Source-available isn’t the same as free and open-source. You might not be able to distribute or modify as you like to the former and may have any sort of license provisioned with further restrictions.
For posterity: https://archive.softwareheritage.org/
I’m just waiting for Forgejo federation to be a thing, and some sort of definitive website for discovering projects. Right now, even though I do have my slefhosted forgejo instance, I still need to keep my code on GitHub, or no-one else will ever know about it.
I’m using gitea - why u guys use forgejo again?
I just half went down this rabbit hole, I’m thinking forgejo is the best option (for me) because:
- they dogfood (they actually use their own product, on the other hand gitea uses github and github actions). This makes me feel more confident in forgejo.
- is not “owned” by a for-profit entity that could change course in the future, creating a big hassle for me down the line if I need to swap to something else for whatever enshitified reason (since forgejo is no longer compatible with gitea).
- forgejo seems to be more at-the-ready for finding and fixing security vulnerabilities in their own app (as proclaimed on their site).
- future possibility for federation (gitea is not planning this according to forgejo site).
Forgejo explaining the differences: https://forgejo.org/compare-to-gitea/
For anyone already using gitea though (like yourself), I don’t know of any obvious benefits of swapping over to forgejo right now, unless you have experienced bad stability or issues with gitea firsthand.
If I was to choose for a first install, forgejo seems like the better candidate in my books. Mostly because I can be more sure that in a couple years I wont have to change ship to a new product (incase a for-profit company were to add features that aren’t in my best interest).
Gitea doesn’t use GitHub action. Syntax is compatible yes, but it’s not GitHub actions
That’s not what they mean, if you go to Gitea’s website and follow the links to the source code, you’ll find its being hosted on GitHub. Contrast this with Forgejo which is being hosted at Codeberg, a public Forgejo instance.
https://github.com/go-gitea/gitea/tree/main/.github/workflows
https://github.com/go-gitea/gitea/actions
they do in fact make extensive use of github actions
I don’t remember the details, but something happened to the Gitea ownership structure without warning, and people were upset about it.
As an actual differentiator: Forgejo has an LTS version that which gets support for 1 year. Normal versions only get supported until the next major release (every few months).
https://endoflife.date/forgejo
Gitea to my knowledge doesn’t have any LTS.
All the reasons that others mentioned, plus it sound cool.
and so begins the enshitification
That had already started.
and so the enshitification continues
How has GitHub been enshittified? It’s a genuine question, because I’ve thought Microsoft has been a pretty good steward of it until now.
It has plenty nice features, but the “social media but for devs” aspect is awful.
For one thing, you can’t do a code search on GitHub unless you have a GitHub account and are logged in.
Monopolies becoming more of a monopolies while the US is weaponized to protect them.
Self-hosting is the future.
… Was it ever since they got bought?
Can’t wait for the extra Product Decay
Man, I just got my personal website running on GitHub pages last week, and I’m too broke to host it elsewhere and too lazy to host it myself
Cloudflare supports same pages and for free
and it’s arguably better of a service. CF supports private repo page for free.
oh yes, “use the service everyone else uses”.
CF buyout in 3…2…1
Well there is only 2 options. Host yourself, host for free and risk a buyout.
If you always live your life in fear then you will never be living your life.
third and fourth options
- infiltrate an open system on a poorly secured host
- don’t host anything
There’s quite a few places that you can host a simple site for free.
Plus, linode’s cheapest Nanode option is $5 bucks a month, you could spin up a very minimal LAMP stack on that.
Ya wanna host it on my forgejo instance?
I’m about to move it to a kubenetes cluster once my parts come in.
https://docs.aws.amazon.com/AmazonS3/latest/userguide/WebsiteHosting.html aws free tier is also an option (although maybe not an improvement in this thread)
I mean, it doesn’t seem like an improvement jumping from Microsoft to Amazon. Still a massive POS company
Hell, I would go so far as to say Amazon is worse
Amazon is the most efficient money extraction machine from people in history and AWS is the most efficient money extraction machine in history from businesses. Musk is better at extracting money from the US government, which is why he’s richer than Bezos.
Here we go…all the grayware GitHub projects are going to be culled
These comment make me curious. How many of you have read Microserfs by Douglas Coupland?
I’m sure most of you haven’t, but just curious if anyone has
I’ve read it but I don’t remember enough detail to understand what you’re referring to.
I haven’t read it myself, which is part of what made me wonder. I’m not sure there is anything to reference in the stories. Just a tangent curiosity
