Alt text: A line plot with 2 axis (confidence vs competence) referencing the Dunning-Kruger effect with various distro logos placed at different points on the line. Starts with mint/ubuntu near (0,0) and progressing through multiple distros to end up with opensuse/fedora at what it calls “the plateau of sustainability”
Facts on Suse there
I assume Hannah Montana Linux is off the chart to the right
Hannah Montana Linux, or HM/Linux as I’ve taken to calling it, is the sign of true civilization.
Users often achieve enlightenment and can simultaneously interact with many planes of existence - that just can’t be shown on a 2D chart for us plebs.
Starting fights today are we?
Gotta dig in early before the pesky Americans wake up
Brother you posted this at the Americans’ lunch time (or second breakfast for the pacific coasters) ?? They were already arguing and here you come with petrol and a lit match
This is funnier if you have mint or Ubuntu on both extreme ends.
That’s kinda the case here with Debian being on the extreme opposite of Ubuntu. I don’t see any benefit of putting up with the stability issues and complexity of other distros when Debian “just works”. And once you debloat Ubuntu you just get Debian.
That’s basically me
Starter on xubuntu, used arch for a couple years, got fed up by the system babysitting, now back again on (x|k)ubuntu
Mint, and I’ll stay with mint. Perhaps I’m not a good Linux user material, but I just want something that works and doesn’t get into the way. You know: a reliable, unobtrusive operating system.
And there’s no shame in that! Use whatever works for you and don’t let anyone tell you otherwise.
There is SO MUCH shame in that, the pitiful noob wont even learn to RTFM, and then I’ll have no way to feel superior to them as I dip my beard into my off brand morning cereal #frostedfakes
Mint is just perfectly fine, don’t listen to the naysayers.
As the old observation goes, novices use something like Mint because it’s there, and it works; intermediate users use something like Arch because they want the control to tweak things in the greatest depths; experts use something like Mint because it’s there, and it works.
Using mint doesn’t mean you’re bad at Linux using arch doesn’t mean you’re good at it.
Mint is the start and the end for a lot of people for good reason.
Mint is fine. If you love it, there’s no reason to leave. Personally, I’m a fan of KDE and I strongly dislike the retro-Windows feel of Cinnamon so I settled on Fedora after Mint dumped its KDE edition.
I like it because when I have an issue, the ones for Ubuntu and Debian also work.
Same here. I started with mint 10 years ago, fucked around and came back to it.
Not a Dev, but I work in tech, so it does most of the things I want and can tinker with nascent projects without blowing my foot off.
Same here, played around, but mint keeps pulling me back in. 10+ years going strong
why is manjaro there twice? it’s a horrible experience no one in their right mind would return to
“Maybe I was the problem?”
they managed to make arch less stable, never update their ssl cert, and every installation slowly falls apart until it’s unusable… sure, I’m the problem
You are, by installing it in the first place.
My system I installed 10 years ago is unusuable now?
Nope. The developers are notorious. Look it up bud.
“I donated money to them so I am going to use it.”
Although not much, just 20 EUR. Not sure how much the bundled Windows license costs, but surely Microsoft has other ways to earn from spyware.
Fedora is also there twice.
This is perfectly normal.
It also works with a Gaussian: (Noob) haha Fedora go brrr -> (angry advanced) nooo you must use Arch/Nix/Gentoo/Slackware -> (Linus Torvalds) haha Fedora go brrr
Fedora fucked up my PC way more times in a year than Gentoo did in 3.
I’m not leaving Gentoo.
I’ve updated fedora releases for like 10 years with zero issues, even went from one laptop to the other and dd’d three times to new SSDs without reinstalling.
I think it may be you who fucked up your PC.
It was nvidia drivers mostly.
And it was 12 years ago.
Yeah I had lots of problems with Winmodems on Slackware 20 years ago, definitely a bad distro too!
I switched to Ubuntu then and has no issues since.
So yeah.
Look, don’t judge me, but manjaro has been the only distro to just work. I haven’t been fucked by nvidia drivers that I know of, I haven’t had any glaring issues… I’m not saying I disagree with the criticisms, but as a ‘just use the fucking computer’ distro, it’s great.
Manjaro’s fine. Most of their problems were years ago. If it works for you, don’t listen to the mob.
Manjaro is awesome. The hate is not deserved and as you said, everything just works perfectly.
I love my Manjaro. I always come back to it… but I may not be in my right mind.
To be fair, it’s OK. Just you might want to check out EndeavourOS when you need to format your PC again.
I have both and I like them almost equally.
I think I’ve seen this story before. :P
This probably outs me as an old fart, but my first computer experiences were with assembly and BASIC intepreters, then things like COBOL, Fortran, and Pascal.
I remember when Bill Gates got his panties in a wad over people sharing MS BASIC and always tried to steer clear of M$ products from then on, although I did have the common misfortune of having to use Windows in several work environments throughout my career. Luckily, the last I ever had to touch as an admin/user was Windows 7.
My personal desktop OS history is as follows:
Solaris -> OpenBSD -> Slackware -> Debian -> SuSE -> Mandrake -> Gentoo -> Redhat -> Fedora -> Sidux -> Arch -> OpenSUSE -> Mint.
I stick with Mint because I don’t want to spend my time tinkering on the OS, and it makes helping all the noobs/non-techies I have convinced to switch to Linux over the years that much easier. This is well over a hundred at this point, and you know who most of them come to when they have a problem. With Mint, they seldom have any issues.
The years I spent tinkering taught me a lot, especially on the rolling OSes, but these days I appreciate having a system that just works reliably, so I can spend my time tinkering on my own projects instead. I have VMs for other OSes as needed anyways.
Now you damn kids get off my lawn!
Gentoo is pretty low maintence now days if you aren’t modifying the system. <3 for secure servers I want stripped to the bone.
I can’t imagine daily driving open BSD for daily desktop use, and I use freebsd for my servers
I use mint on my PC and love it! However I’m now the ipad kid of Linux. It never breaks, I never have to learn anything. Just getting it up and running is the zenith of my knowledge and ability.
As someone who just installed Mint two months ago (after using Windows for 30 years), this makes me happy inside.
Oh fuck of with this bullshit. This is why linux is not on more PCs, this distro elitism.
You’re on linuxmemes not Year of the Linux Desktop memes.
I prefer my memes with less smug condescending bullshit. But hey I am sure this sort of thing helps validate you, so go wacky.
I feel neither validated nor invalidated by the meme because its an image on the internet portraying a joke. I don’t think someone posting a meme in a community called Linux memes needs to be held to this holier than thou status. I don’t inherently agree with the meme myself, but I’m not going to sit here and get butthurt about an obvious in joke posted to that in group.
well they got arch correct.
i use arch btw.
Urgh, at least this helps my point.
100% agree, just more rage bait fuel for the fire
It’s a meme sub though
Not a graph of the Dunning-Kruget Effect. It’s actually a reverse of the uncanny valley chart. This is the Dunning-Kruger effect chart:
I think it’s the gartner hype cycle, which usually uses the same labels as the meme
Except they changed the axis to plot confidence vs competence so arguably indeed relating to the Dunning-Kruger effect, not Expectations vs Time as the Gartner hype cycle does. Same shape and steps but different idea.
I’ve started with Debian and I’ve settled with Debian, have had no need or ambition to distro hop.
Exactly. I never understand why switch from the most reliable distro. And therefore didn’t.
You switch when something is not working and you grow tired of that thing not working. If you never encounter that, you are good.
Meh, I’m relatively experienced and just use Ubuntu
That’s because you use your computer and it’s not part of your personality. I’m reasonably well versed in Linux and I’ve used Pop for years.
Is pop maintained? When are they upgrading to the latest Ubuntu and supporting HDR?
It is, but they’ve been working on their new DE Cosmic which should be hitting beta soon.
Is it still not in beta? I was on pop in late 2023 and left for OpenSUSE TW because cosmic was taking too long and they were still on Ubuntu LTS 22.04. and Gnome Extensions broke on me.
Yeah they’re on like alpha 7 I think? That sucks. I hope OpenSUSE is treating you better.
I see it’s just recently been announced about the beta. Great that they’re hearing up for release. I’m in support of what they’re doing I think I realised that I didn’t like Gnome (neither does System76 by the looks!).
OpenSUSE TW with KDE is perfect for me. Not a sexy/flashy distro but it is the most robust rolling release I’ve seen, and maintained by a European company that has been working on it for decades.
Particularly like the QC/staggered addition of packages and YAST.
Love me some SUSE. People forget that it is one of the OG distributions out there. Been trying Linux from time to time but only switched completely from windows earlier this year. Been messing with Fedora and SUSE way back as a teenager. Unfortunately my experience with opensuse was laggy YouTube on a complete fresh install (AMD btw) so I just switched to cachyos which didn’t have any issues (sooo much better than Manjaro IMHO). Still love SUSE… And fedora. These two will always have a place in my tech heart.
Edit for typos from typing on glass.
Been maining Linux mint for 3 years now. I did distrohop once to nobara to see if the grass was greener on the other side, but had to revert due to Nvidia.
… The grass wasn’t green, but tasted exactly the same. Apart from Nvidia (which isn’t a distro issue but more shitty company that can’t make things right), the only noticeable changes is going from cinnamon to KDE.
There’s no “stupid distro” nor “smart distros”. Everything is valid. (Although I’d argue that Linux mint is the best beginner distro, to let people get into Linux gently before eventually trying something else)
I’ve been using Linux since you created a boot floppy by using
ddon the kernel. I use Ubuntu because I just want something that works, is stable in the LTS sense of the word, and I don’t have to futz with. I’ve heard enough about Mint now that I’ll probably switch over to it when I build my next machine in several years.I’ve been using Linux since you created a boot floppy by using dd on the kernel
Wait, is that not how you do it anymore? I swear, I just went through trialing a few more distros, and I dded like crazy.
You might have been using
ddto burn an ISO image onto a USB stick or some such, but sincerely doubt that you were writing just the kernel to the first sector of a 3.5" floppy disk and then booting off of it, while it found your ISA hard drive.Ah, right. Totally different.
I was going to say - what’s wrong with Mint?
I want to see a graph where X ranges from “ambitious” to “I’m so tired”, and Mint is at the end. That’s where I’m at.
Linux experts vastly overestimate the amount of annoyance average people will put up with. Most people just want it to work, and want to learn almost nothing. I don’t blame them, Linux is a means to an end.
Same. Mint was at the start too, though.
tried a few distros before mint because i thought it was less cool or whatever, but then it was the only one i could get working. every few months i try something else and come crying back…
Debian is love. Debian is life.
I am so sick of seeing this ridiculous diagram being labeled the “Dunning-Kruger effect”. Go read the actual 1999 paper they wrote. The key takeaway is that the lowest quartile of people tend to overestimate their own performance, and the top quartile underestimate theirs. It doesn’t posit anything like this graph, and this is just an ironic example of ignorance.
And second, I am so sick of seeing these ridiculous distro comparisons. Stop with this elitism, even if done humorously. People of all experience levels can be found using different distros, and they all have unique advantages, disadvantages, and communities built around them. Don’t shame the great effort that people put into maintaining and developing distros, repositories, and packages. A noob can use Arch, and a master can use Ubuntu. Use what appeals to you, and be happy in knowing you can experiment or stick to anything. This is the beauty of FOSS and the Linux ecosystem; it’s a great place for both tinkerers as well as those who want familiarity. There is no one true way.
The Fedora propaganda is getting annoying.
I’ve always had issues with fedora and nvidia.
It’s linuxmemes, you get the choice between that and debian propaganda.
