Ukraine’s president says Kremlin checking Europe’s capacity to protect its skies following new drone sightings
Vladimir Putin will expand his war in Ukraine by attacking another European country, Volodymyr Zelenskyy has predicted, and accused Russia of recent drone incursions that he said were an attempt to test Nato’s defences.
Speaking in Kyiv after his meeting with Donald Trump at the UN in New York, the Ukrainian president said Russia was preparing for a bigger conflict. “Putin will not wait to finish his war in Ukraine. He will open up some other direction. Nobody knows where. He wants that,” he said.
Ukraine’s president said the Kremlin was deliberately checking Europe’s capacity to protect its skies, after drone sightings in Denmark, Poland and Romania and the violation of Estonian airspace by Russian fighter jets. More drones were spotted on Friday night above a Danish military base, and over a Norwegian base on Saturday.
Not going to lie. I’ll laughter if it’s Belarus. Seems like an easy target.
Because this one is going so well for him…
As the Ukrainian front is losing ground, more and more of the staging and deployment is occurring in neighboring Poland and Slovakia. Moldova just voted in a pro-EU government, after a hotly contested election in which each party accused the other of taking support from foreign neighbors. If they align with Ukraine, that opens up a new route of supply into the south, where Russians have made the largest gains in territory.
We have already seen Russian surveillance drones passing through EU airspace, with attacks running right up to the western-most border (and dipping over depending on which intelligence service you ask). We’ve already seen incursions into Russian territory that have implied support from Finland, Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuiania, with Russian digital offensives retaliating in kind.
Then throw in the wild card of Israel - a country that is taking a lot of political heat from Europe for its genocide in Gaza and the surrounding Arab states - whose PM has long since demonstrated friendly ties with Putin. Not inconceivable that Mossad and the RSB conduct joint operations on a country that has threatened sanctions on Israel over the genocide in Palestine. Hell, the recent sweeping shutdown of airlines across Europe following the condemnation of Israel at the UN is… conspicuous.
You’d think escalating the war would be suicidal for the Russian economy. And you’d think Europe doubling down on Ukraine at this point would be a recipe for more far-right parties winning elections. So they both have strong incentives to de-escalate. Nevertheless, they persist in one of the worst foreign policy follies since WW1. I wouldn’t count anything out, at this point.
Rule 3? This is just opinion / propaganda by someone with a vested interest to fan flames.
It’s not just unfounded opinion if there have been drone sightings over military bases in four countries over the last month.
Germany is expecting an attack from Russia as well at some point in the close future. That’s the reason the budget for the military went up. There are also discussions of starting the draft again.
That is politically correct: Since there is nothing at all we have done to bring about this war, there is also nothing we could do to prevent more war, or stop the war. Therefor we must embrace war. We might not want total war, but we say yes to total war. Never again!
Quick question: what do you think would have happened if the Ukrainian had completely abolished their military after the Invision on the Krim?
A) Russia wouldn’t have attacked them. B) Russia’s „special operation“ would have only taken three days.
Tell me. What should the a country/alliance do to prevent an attack of Russia?
I see the Russian Embassy staff are busy with their BS comments. Only an insane person would accept Russian influence and occupation.
Only an insane person would accept Russian influence and occupation.
Where is even that thought coming from? Like, explain to me in proper arguments why everybody makes it their national sport to bash against Russia. I mean, yeah, they have a lot of problems, but so does every other country, more or less.
Seriously the willingness of people to just accept without question the patently self interested declarations of this guy is astonishing.
If you don’t take everything Zelensky says as infallible wisdom from on high, you’re a Russian Wumao AI Trumpist Tankie and you should get back to the Evil Country you came from or perhaps be hung for treason, idk anymore.
There might be some merits to this. Trump did recently, without a reason, changed his tune to protecting Ukraine again.
Trump did recently, without a reason, changed his tune to protecting Ukraine again.
It’s mostly a distraction scheme to distract from internal problems, I’d say.
I think it’s because he’s become obsessed with the Nobel Peace Prize.
He was always been since Obama got it. So nothing changed about that.
I’d say in the past few weeks he seems to have become more aggressive about it, campaigning for it demanding nominations from people.
In August there were a few things where he seemed preoccupied with his afterlife fate, seems like maybe he is keenly feeling his mortality and thinks he needs to get this peace prize thing in a hurry as a piece of maybe buying him a better outcome.
A weird twisted Trumpy way of going about it, but I think he actually wants to somehow be the ‘good guy’, but unfortunately he doesn’t exactly even know how to be good so he’s coming up short, but he’s managed to change a couple of things to start spouting closer to the right message.
without a reason
Trump wanted to be the guy who Made A Deal with Russia and ended the war. Putin made a big show of the Alaska Summit and then delivered exactly dick-all (which - to be fair - is the smart move when dealing with Trump). At the same time, Starmer’s been licking his taint in hopes of winning concessions for the UK tech industry. So now Trump’s incredibly sore at being burned by Russian and Starmer-curious.
But this will only last until Ukraine starts “looking like losers” according to his right-wing media friends. I would give it a few more months before he flips back again.
He massively disrespected and embarrassed Trump at the alaskan summit. It may be partly cos of that Trump has switched.
He’s not stupid to attack a NATO member. So maybe Moldova? But then why is he testing the skies in the other end of Europe and not near Moldova? Nah, he’s not going to attack anyone else.
Might be testing the skies simply for the intelligence, that is also valued by China and Iran whether or not they plan to actually do anything with the information.
He doesn’t share a land border with Moldova. The most likely option is Azerbaijan. Not NATO, lots of recent disagreements, starting an alliance with Armenia and Turkey.
Azerbaijan and Armenia are about as far from being allies as two countries can be.
But Trump brokered peace with Albania!
I think they’re saying the alliance would be Armenia/Turkey/Russia - Azerbaijan is the target.
Although I don’t know what good it would do for Putin to open up another front when they already are stretched thin but obviously Zelensky knows more than me.
Turkey and Azerbaijan refer to their relationship as “two states one nation”. They are not going to war either.
Aberbijian?
Bait and switch? “Hey everyone look over here!”
Yep, but not just “look over here.” He wants them to move their resources and position their defenses to respond from an attack in those areas. That will potentially leave them out of position to respond quickly to whatever he actually does.
My money’s on Poland.
If the Russians invade Poland, the Muscovites will end up in a hornet’s nest. However, I could see the asswipe, Vlad, making attempt to illegally occupy the Suwalki Gap.
Poland is ready for it, so probably not. Putin isn’t one to start something with someone he knows can fight back. He wants a punching bag.
Like Trump and Venezuela.
Poland is ready for it
That country is as mired in right-wing reactionary dysfunction as any of Russia’s proxies. And they’re larded up with debts in an EU that loves to punish poorer countries with austerity during economic contraction.
All of Europe is hanging on the sustained global bull market. If that flags, you’re going to see more than just Poland going to shit very quickly.
The Russians attacked Poland with only two years of independence under their belt, broken economy and their military was a shambles composed of equipment from the German, Austrian and Russian occupation. Somehow they stopped the fucking Bolsheviks and threw them back. You fail to understand Polish history and their mindset when it involves Russia. They despise the Russians and do not trust them. Only two countries stopped the fucking Russians, Finland and Poland. I hope Ukraine can hold out and do the same.
The Russians attacked Poland with only two years of independence under their belt
Wait, are you talking about the Second Polish Republic of 1918? What does that have to do with Polish military readiness in 2025?
You fail to understand Polish history and their mindset
Karol Nawrocki is a football hooligan and partisan hack more interested in pushing a Catholic theocracy on his people than improving its economic outlook or its domestic security. The only war he’s going to successfully wage is on his country’s husk of a labor movement, as he turns the guns of the state on their migrant population.
He’s building up the same nativist police state as his peers in the US with a tiny fraction of the budget. It’s going to be a death sentence for their domestic economy and interstate trade. If anyone’s neglecting the history of the country, its this fascist chauvinist POS. When the Polish government falls, it’ll be Nawrocki’s teeth on the curb.
Then again, people around him tell him what he wants to hear. Like Ukrainians will welcome his troops in…
Fresh looting for the war chest, old Vlad the Defenestrator thinks
Sounds like an efficient way to lose Königsberg, Karelia and Crimea very quickly.
I hope so. Not sure what Europe or Germany would do with the former East Prussia. The territory is Fucked Up Beyond All Repair thanks to Ivan. Kick out all the Russians and turn it into a huge Wildlife National Park. Karelia and Crimea are obvious, they would return to Finland and Ukraine. Please add the Northern Territories going back to Japan.
It’s mostly about no longer letting Russia have access to the Baltic sea any more. They’ve done more than enough bad shit there to be put in permanent timeout at this point. What to do with the land after that is secondary
I’ll just be over here quietly cheering “two fronts” because I’m sure it’ll go well for them
They should try their luck in Afghanistan again.
That would put them in direct competition with us now that Trump wants the air base back and says he is willing to go to war with Afghanistan to do it.
I’m not a history guy, when was the last time invading Afghanistan went well?
The Timurids did a pretty good job of it. Mind you they then moved on to India, which turned out pretty great for them.
They call that place the graveyard of empires for a reason, I don’t think it’s ever gone well.
I think it was back in 1219. It lasted until just 1227. Does 8 years count as went well? Or is that too short?
Or Japan.
That may sound cheer worthy, but considering they very obviously can’t handle even 1 front, attacking another country would have to be for a different reason, a more problematic reason.
Can you expound on the later part of your thought? I’m struggling to picture a scenario in which the Kremlin purposefully opens a second front. The purpose of these airspace raids is to saber rattle and make it so Europe beefs up its defenses and is less likely to give equipment to Ukraine and instead use it domestically.
Russia haven’t been able to fully mobilize their population for war. If Putin can convince Russians that they are in an existential war with NATO then he can introduce conscription. If he’s able to double/triple the bodies on the front line in Ukraine then there a real possibility of overwhelming the defenders.
Indeed, if Vlad can continue to convince the Russian people, he will receive his cannon fodder. Hopefully it fails and Russia repeats 1917 without the Bolsheviks.
Except NATO could and would do the same, and even without the US the European members of the alliance have far greater manpower reserves than Russia. And better tech. And a larger manufacturing base. And more money. And better access to global markets. And navies to protect that access.
Attacking Ukraine was stupid. Attacking NATO would be nothing short of suicidal. Russia would lose a conventional war, and nobody wins a nuclear war.
I’d argue that attacking Ukraine was only stupid in hindsight. With the information they had at the time, it looked like a very good plan. Most outside observers figured Ukraine would last weeks at most. No one expected Russia’s military to prove so ineffective, and even with all the training and support they’d gotten from NATO since 2014, Ukraine’s military still seriously exceeded expectations. Russia didn’t act stupidly, but they did fail to correctly assess the relative military readiness of themselves and their opponents.
Which really only further reinforces your point that attacking NATO would be suicide, and Russia is painfully aware of that. They’re not stupid, and with everything they’ve learned since attacking Ukraine they now how a much more accurate picture of how their equipment and tactics would fare against those of NATO.
Russia didn’t act stupidly, but they did fail to correctly assess the relative military readiness of themselves and their opponents.
I think it’s fair to say that Russia has since acted stupidly and continues to act stupidly. The meat-grinder approach may have worked with an overwhelming man power advantage and at least some training. Instead they’ve just hemorrhaged men, equipment, and morale by just throwing untrained and under-equipped soldiers at the front line.
Happy to agree on that score. While I don’t think the decision to invade Ukraine was, in of itself, a stupid one, there’s absolutely a lot of bad choices that have been made at the operational level since then. The distinction matters because you have to remember that these decisions are made at different levels. The decision to invade was made by Putin and a handful of his closest advisors. The decisions about how to run the war… Well, a lot of those aren’t so much decisions as long-standing Russian / Soviet theories of warfare collapsing in the face of reality. The problems are doctrinal, and deeply embedded. But it’s also important to be aware that the Russians are, slowly, learning from these failures and contuing to adapt to their new reality.
I think these distinctions are important, because it would be foolish to treat Putin as an idiot. He’s not. He’s a terrifyingly intelligent and dangerous individual, and the fact that he’s running a country like Russia is a problem for everyone. It would also be foolish to assume that the Russian military will continue to make those kinds of operational mistakes going forward. A lot of what you’re seeing is less “stupidity” and more “big ships make slow turns.”
Agree, their initial invasion was evil, but not a ‘stupid’ idea, they had experience of just waltzing in with little resistance with barely a ‘shame on you’ in terms of consequences for their adventures prior.
Their making it a point of pride and pressing when it became clear a victory would not be worth whatever the price will be, that was and continues to be stupid.
Russia is already using conscription in the war
https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/02/europe/putin-russia-spring-conscription-ukraine-intl
The main distinction is that there are laws (ha!) against sending improperly trained conscripts into “active combat”. And while that can be potentially accelerated by claiming it is an emergency, it is much easier to just change the definition of “proper training”… which they already (allegedly) are.
But also? Russia already has massive morale and corruption issues. Giving even more untrained men guns is just a good way to have more mutinies and to have even more military gear show up on ebay/temu.
And also? Even if they triple the boots in Ukraine, having a second front (or one really giant front if it is all of NATO…) is not at all a worthy trade. Especially when those are fresh militaries with all the gear they had been holding back from Ukraine in case of this very scenario.
Nah. This is most likely the normal probing that putin does as standard practice with the added goal of scaring the EU into not wanting to support Ukraine in case Russia retaliates. Zelenskyy is just spinning this as the kind of bogeyman that would get his people much needed support.
Russian morale is absolutely dogshit right now. Among other things, soldiers are being forced to bribe their commanders if they want to leave the front (when they’re scheduled to be rotated out). Those who refuse to pay up get detailed to under-equipped suicide attacks.
Oh, and soldiers who die are being marked AWOL so their families don’t get death benefits, because the government has barely any money left to pay them, and they’re being forced to offer huge signing bonuses just to get the manpower they need.
There are multiple reports in Russian-speaking outlets and communities about bribing to just skip some combat assignment, singular. Basically paying a subscription to your commander, at a variable rate, too.
Russia is already facing severe logistical and manpower issues that cannot be stemmed by importing foreign workers at this point… But I’m sure the factories can continue to produce munitions with children in them, right?
munitions with children in them
That doesn’t sound particularly effective.
THEY’RE DROPPING WIGGUMS RUN EVERYONE
It worked with pigeons, it should work with children.
They’ll infect them with autism before being launched.
This is why Trump was telling the Americans to stop taking Tylenol; it’s so that he can help Putin make more autistic kids to drop on Ukraine. Wake up, sheeple!!
Russia doesn’t act logically and there’s a positive feedback loop in the command - where each commander reports situation to his commander as better than it actually is, so what Putin hears from his yesmen, may as well be something like:
- Yeah, we decided not to capture entire Ukraine immediately, but to delay things a bit, so that NATO will send more stuff to Ukraine and have less for itself before we attack them too.
So yeah, it may be that they’re just all bark no bite now, but after enough time doing that there’ll be real question “are we actually gonna do it or chicken out?” and that will be solely a question of leaders fragile ego.
Im curious if this is true in any way, or is just armchair chatter. Are there actual reports of this?
You also have to remember the phenomenon isn’t new, and the Russian elites expect and adjust for it. There’s internal spying going on, and I’m pretty sure Putin would have an idea how the war effort is going, even if there’s pretty serious information gaps on which exact parts will fail when.
This is also why they structure their troops the meat-grindery way they do. Sure, counting more bodies as more success is dumb and counterintuitive, but no bodies could either be great success or your unit selling their equipment to go on a bender, so it’s better to choose the way that guarantees some kind of combat. My source on that practice is Kamil Galeev.
Kinda yes to both variants.
Russia inflates battlefield gains after a costly summer offensive
It’s kinda been the thing at least since Soviet times where the tendency to report higher efficiency overcame any logic, and it wasn’t just production plans in with those famous “5 year plans”, it also creeped in into military, where there’d be, for example, tank hangar overseer reporting 50% of machines being battle ready to his commander, his commander would report 60, then up next it becomes 70, and like that until defence minister gets “we’ve got entire 100% machines ready”.
What We Can Learn from the Soviet Collapse in: Finance & Development Volume 31 Issue 004 (1994)
Thank you!
I can speculate it could be to frame this war as a war against nato, or to get a reason for full scale mobilization, or to get a reason to use nuclear weapons.
“Nuclear weapons use” is an element of their doctrine for foreign policy influence.
They are not fucking idiots. But they do recognize that “nuclear blah blah” works well with cowardly westerners.
They are not fucking idiots? They absolutely are fucking idiots. And they are being backed into a corner. A lot of stuff can happen.
How much do you know about russian history? If your life was on the line, do you think you could write 3 key bullet points (since your life is on the line, you wouldn’t have access to a search engine or an LLM) about every decade of 20th century russia? Basic things like 1906 protests, implementation of NEP, Khrushev and so on. No one is asking for in-depth knowledge.
Do you speak russian? How do you know they are not playing you if you don’t speak russian?
Your message about “backed into a corner” is exactly what they want you to think. They got you “hook line and sinker” as the North Americans like to say.
Putin has modeled his rule after the Csarist monarchy of the Russian Empire. He notably despises communism and blames it for the collapse of the USSR. He calls himself “president” but many within the state Duma believe the title to be an embarrassing western descriptor and would prefer to bestow on him the title of “pravitel” or “ruler”.
But Putin ran into a bit of a problem. Just as to be called Caesar you need to rule Rome, to be called czar you need to rule over all of Rus. For him, the cultural, historical, and religious significance of Kievan Rus was just too large to be ignored.
When it existed, the Russian Empire tried to erase the other eastern Slavic languages from their shared cultural memory. They acted as if there was no Ukraine and never had been, just as with Belarus. According to the Tsarists, Ukrainians had always been Russians and had no history of their own. The Ukrainian and Belorussian languages were banned. Ukrainian nationalism was a threat to the underlying myths of Russia and threatened the czars’ attempts at creating an “All-Russian People.”
Putin is emulating their rule and presents himself as a tsar-like figure. He’s built a massive, opulent palace for himself, with gold-plated double-headed eagles, a clear Imperial Russian symbol, everywhere—even in his personal strip club. Similarly, the Russian Orthodox Church helps him pacify the population and supports whatever myths Kremlin wants to glorify. He wanted to go down in the history books as a grand unifier of Russian lands—if not under the same government, then definitely as the hegemon of the Russian world.
Putin wants it both ways, to take credit for the Soviet legacy and, at the same time, be viewed in the same light as the emperors and czars of old. Therefore, he’s had to bring back and reaffirm the old, imperial myths and values—and to do that, he has to get Kyiv under his thumb. After all, it was the restored Kievan Rus that became Russia, the “Third Rome.” Ukraine going its own way, claiming Kievan Rus as its legacy, moving away from Moscow, getting autocephaly for its own orthodox church—all this runs contrary to Russian state mythology.
These imperial myths are what define Russia, what it even means to be a Russian. Without them, Russia just stops being Russia in the eyes of many. Putin is convinced that if this social glue is disrupted, then Russia will just split up in pieces again—and if he allows that to happen, then his legacy is ruined. For him, there can be no separate Ukrainian language, culture, or history. That is where his mind is at, stuck in the 18th and 19th centuries.
Haha. I don’t think you have any idea what you are talking about.
What are you thinking exactly?
My main idea on why they’d escalate is because they’re sure the EU and NATO will fold this time, definitely, for certain.
Escalate just so much that NATO won’t act and cracks might form in nato. That was the strategy all along. Maybe this is a part of that.
I guess, but even a small fragment of NATO is more than a match for Russia, so that wouldn’t be a winning strategy exactly.
It would be, that’s why I think Russians won’t be looking for a direct confrontation. They need something that’s big enough to cause some panic, but not not enough for the big countries to start anything. Something they can blame someone else for. Or go for a non NATO country like Moldova.
Yeah, I can see Moldova being a better route for that.
lots of these events that have occurred might have happened out of inertia. It might be that russians miscalculated and the war in Ukraine should have ended by now, and all these actions are part of a bigger plan
Is it Cambodia?
That would suck cause they just endend that war with Armenia.
Is this you, Ken M?
Apparently, Putin never learned to swallow your food in manageable chunks before moving on. I think he will end up choking to death.
It’ll work as long as Russia is still useful for China.
Russia’s joint military drills with Belarus has caused Poland to shut down Poland / Belarus border crossings. A lot of Chinese goods are shipped to Europe via rail that goes through one of these crossings, so China is taking notice.
Moldova is for sure not safe right now.
Yeah, I was reading earlier about Russian misinformation networks relating to Moldovan elections. Scary stuff.
But why? They can’t even do one front well, Russia sucks at war
I have a pet theory that Putin is attempting to get a big reaction from NATO, so that he can then internally use that as an excuse why the war in Ukraine did not end well, and why they had to ultimately concede points they earlier held they wouldn’t in the eventual peace negotiations.
Not winning against Ukraine would be shameful for him, especially after all the messaging done about Ukraine not even being a real country.
Not winning against the entirety of NATO, on the other hand, sounds reasonable and understandable. But just saying that isn’t very persuasive. He needs imagery of destroyed Russian equipment in another NATO country or something concrete like that, to show that NATO truly is involved and waging war against Russia. That’s would also justify the initial reasoning for this misguided excursion — NATO is indeed warring against us, it was all justified! See these images of dead Russians in the Baltic Sea! The flaming Russian jets! See the havoc the big bad NATO wreaks on us poor Russians! We stand no chance, we have to settle for peace, those bullies are too strong now, and they are evil in their ways! In order to survive, we must concede a bit, lest NATO comes and bombs you and your family in the night like the thugs they are! gesturing at the constant dramatized imagery of destroyed Russian equipment in some NATO region
I’m convinced the economy, despite currently running on the war, is finally slowly collapsing to the point of it being visible to the peasants, perhaps showing inconvenient signs of that with the gas shortages across Russia, whatever else they are trying to keep under wraps. I think it’s starting to get embarrassing unless something changes and they can play victim to some bigger baddie yet again terrorizing good pious Russians. Maybe they have determined they can’t keep the effects contained no longer, and the seams will start to burst soon, so they need something that justifies the peace negotiations and conceding some of their strict conditions for the peace. Otherwise the people might just start seeing how fucked they are and rise up.
Nice take, I also subscribe to the theory that the Russian narrative is a lot more important than land gains. To be able to sell an “Underdog but growing empire despite evil holding us back” narrative would definitely be useful and a good exit strategy.
Not saying this is why… but in theory if he can go through another country to do an end around on Ukraine, he can trade that other country to keep Ukraine. Or even if nato needs to defend itself, it might not spend as much on defending Ukraine. Just guesses though. And they still seem like bad reasons.
He’s grabbing as much as he can for leverage, so he can trade back part of it for peace, but not all of it. Thus he still grows his empire despite having an army at its breaking point.
This doesn’t make much sense to me.
He’s really demonstrated Russia’s lack of capability to the world.
If a bull steals three kid’s lunches, you dont force him to give back 2 but keep the third.
Because they’re hoping to pull other “axis” countries into the fold. There’s a wider conflict on the horizon, and Russia has its side it is looking to pull in to assist them. Large scale maybe even world war looms around the corner.
Because if they say so people will get scared and not protest their tax money being gifted to the military industry.
Well, it’s obvious why Zelensky would say something like that. I don’t blame him, they’re at war after all. What’s less obvious is why Russia might be up to something like that. I don’t see any good reason.
Then again, I didn’t see a good reason to attack Ukraine. I distintively remember that before the invasion, there were these reports of 180k Russian troops amassing at the border and I was damn sure, that Putin won’t attack, 'cause…you can’t conquer Ukraine with only 180k soldiers. But here we are ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
So, who knows what that madman is doing for what reason.
Integrating Ukraine into Russia has been a core geopolitical goal of Putin and the Russian government for a very long time now. It’s not new, and while it might not make sense to us, it makes a lot of sense to them. And Ukraine seemed, at the time, like an easy target. They’d already stolen Crimea from them back in 2014 with nary a peep from the world, and Ukraine had basically no real defence agreements to call upon. While Putins plan for a three day war was laughable in hindsight, its easy to see why it was believable at the time.
OTOH, there are very few other European targets that aren’t already NATO members. He’s not going after Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Finland or Poland, because hitting any of them triggers a full scale war with NATO, and all of them have significant combined NATO forces already present. Any other targets are too far to realistically maintain supply lines. So I really don’t see what options there actually are for expanding the war.
We do know that Russia is trying to prepare, economically, for an increased scale of hostilities by 2030, but unless he can successfully jam up NATO in some big way that basically assures mutual defense is out the window I just don’t see what their options are.
You do know that Russia is going to increase hostilities by 2030 . From your crystal ball, I suppose. Still, no good reason for the opening claim which does not make sense at all. Just downvotes from the usual brigandists.
This is not reason, it’s bullshit.
Exactly.
Russia isn’t planning to invade Ukraine
- Zakharova on Feb 8 2022.
One guess is all that it should take, given the existing historical precedent.
Haha. Which is also why Poland is trying to be able to shoot down objects in Ukraine airspace.
The US maintains a defensive contingent in Poland. Even with how much Trump loves the taste of Putins cock, I don’t see how he could justify doing nothing about dead American soldiers. And even if the US, stays out of the fight, Poland itself is armed to the fucking teeth and has the rest of NATO backing them. Does Putin want unsupervised Canadians in Moscow? Because this is how you get unsupervised Canadians in Moscow.
unsupervised Canadians
I am losing it over this phrasing 😂
Can’t claim credit for that one, sadly.
I don’t see how he could justify doing nothing about dead American soldiers.
that happened during his last term
1939? You mean when Poland was being occupied by the Nazis? Also, everything up to 1907 would have been done under the empire that was toppled by the Russian revolution in 1917. The formation that resulted is the one that poland would have been attacking in 1921, before they had officially formed the USSR in 1922, which altogether was dissolved 35 years ago in 1991. You realize geopolitics is about more than just monolithic masses of land?
If you’re going to make a comment like that you need to have your facts straight. Molotov-Ribbentrop pact was a real thing where Nazis and the USSR invaded Poland.
Fair enough, I was only looking at the dates and lining them up with the limited Russian history I am familiar with. I mean the alternative was still potentially complete Nazi occupation of Poland, if those lines weren’t drawn (Of course it’s a foregone conclusion that the Nazis were going to invade Poland) or to go to war with the Nazis and Poland as the battlefield in hopes of ending up with full Russian occupation, but I guess the distinction is important. I don’t claim to be an expert though, feel free to correct me or expand upon anything I’m missing.
Edit: also the Russians didn’t invade until 16 days after the Nazis did, when Poland was already effectively defeated. Again, feel free to fill in the blanks. Cause to me it seems to me that the pact served as reassurance that the Nazis would stop their invasion at the line drawn, so that Russia could allow the invasion to play out (on the off chance of a Polish victory); rather than invading simultaneously and practically guaranteeing Polish defeat; without risking all of Poland becoming Nazi territory.
Yeah, I’m pretty sure you got downvoted for having tankie vibes when most of it was pointing out that the Russia that invaded Poland before 1922 (Tzarist Russia) isn’t the same Russia as USSR/Russia.
Yeah I figured, I’ve seen a lot of accurate accounts of history get derided as being “tankie” or worse without any legitimate challenge to what was said. It’s such a powerful thought-terminating cliche around here that I almost never venture into the .world-sphere anymore.
