I will continue to enjoy my incredibly straightforward and to the point Linux desktop that’s somehow gained a new AI-free feature by doing nothing.
Don’t you want a bunch of pop-ups nagging you to use their AI gimmicks, though?
Damn it! I’m in.
Would you be able to point me toward a good thread about “beginner-friendly” distros that works well with games?
I honestly have no idea what to trust when it comes to this
Bazzite is specifically for PC gaming and is a very friendly starter distro.
Bazzite, definitely.
Don’t go onto specialized distro. Just use the main ones like Mint (which is based on Ubuntu, which is based on Debian). I would say that Debian is the best one, but it needs to read some docs if you have a Nvidia Graphic card (but if not, it should be easy and super stable). Bazzite, Nobara, etc, are based on distro that are quickly changing (Fedora or Arch), which are really nice in their own way, but as a beginner, you need stability first!
Try this : https://www.linuxmint.com/edition.php?id=325 It is Linux Mint, but directly based on Debian instead of Ubuntu!
I don’t agree that Debian is a good choice for a gamer - it sacrifices performance and features for stability, which is not ideal for gamers, who probably want to run the newest drivers and featuresets. Don’t get me wrong, I really like Debian, but as an server os, not for a gaming machine. Something based on Arch or Fedora is a lot better for the rapidly changing environment we are talking about, they can adapt much quicker than Debian.
I have a been using it for 2 years and I was playing games without any problems. Thus said, I agree that they need to setup nvidia drivers if they are unlucky to have one.
Then you install Docker because may Linux apps come distributed only as Docker images and find out that Docker has its own AI built in called Gordon.
Then Lemmy dogpiles me for, “What do you expect for running corporate software.”
Only Docker Desktop has the AI feature. You can install the Docker engine and CLI tools without it on Linux. Or Podman, a similar alternative.
Nobody expects new Linux users to use the CLI though. For a normal user that just wants to run their software they will encounter this crap.
I use it and I have not encountered this. You’re referring to the desktop GUI maybe?
Yes, Docker Desktop which if you follow the guide for Network Proxy Manager and other docker apps you end up installing. You’d have to already know that Docker Desktop has AI to avoid it and find a work around install.
If the default is getting Docker AI when you install popular apps in Linux, at that point it’s not different from knowing that the default is getting Copilot in Windows and then following online guides to remove it.
I assume you mean Nginx Proxy Manager? I’m surprised that you would even run that on a desktop with a GUI, seems far more fit for a headless system. Of course, nothing stops you - it’s your system.
As a general note I’d recommend docker CLI / compose, most applications will assume you’re using that and have instructions tailored for it (which is helpful if you’re new to docker).
To be honest I didn’t even know docker had a desktop app for Linux, I’ve only seen folks use it on Windows and macOS.
I’m surprised that you would even run that on a desktop with a GUI,
???
The install guide says you need docker compose and links to the docker compose install guide. The link provided for docker compose installs docker desktop. Docker Desktop is a program that shows your running Dockers and allows you to start and stop them.
But fuck me for being a simple man that Read the Fucking Manual and followed the directions provided.
No need to be so hostile.
Installing docker desktop is fine but if you are on Linux and in any way comfortable using the command line I’d definitely run without the desktop part. Just docker and the composer addon is enough.
That nginx proxy manager recommends desktop for Linux environments which most of the time don’t even have a GUI is a bit bizar tbh.
No need to be so hostile.
It’s frustratingly hypocritical that Linux users rightfully dunk on Microsoft for it’s AI yet defend Linux platforms despite the AI.
When it’s the default in Windows, Microsoft is evil. When it’s the default in Docker, you should know better and figure out how to install it despite the official online documentation telling you to install Docker Desktop to get Docker compose installed.
I work in IT and far be it for me to tell you what OS to use on your own computer.
The only thing I want to die right now, is the AI bubble. Just pop already. Holy fuck what a worthless endeavor this has been.
Have Win 10 and was a Windows die hard since I was a kid.
Been running Linux on another drive as my default boot for a year and a half in anticipation of this horseshit and was only hesitant to delete Win because my Fanatec sim racing hardware wasn’t supported on Linux.
Welp, turns out hid-fanatecff is a thing. Installed the kernel driver and boom, working Fanatec peripherals. Even my Moza shifter is plug-and-play.
Bye bye Microsoft.
Is there any use for a HP Reverb G2 on linux?
Fully supported by Monado looks like.
It’s insane how much extra time, effort and sanity you can retain simply by switching to Linux. I initially switched a few years ago, then fully shortly after. Using my PCs has never been better and I had no issues with gaming. The only games that don’t work are some of the live service ones I’ll never be interested in.
One of the best decisions in my life, right up there with deleting all social media. Life keeps getting better, relatively speaking, but of course rich pedophiles just can’t tolerate us having a good time.
Four Horsemen of Apocalypse
- The country where a lot of tech countries are headquartered in, elects a wanna-be dictator
- Android restricts “sideloading” (aka: non-approved install)
- Windows has mandatory AI
- Mandatory ID Verification
Don’t downgrade to Windows 11, update to Linux
What is this AI everywhere concept actually supposed to accomplish for the end user? Maybe I’m just behind on the vision but I can’t grasp the point. I have a feeling it’s not really about what the users want but I’d love to here a genuinely good use case.
It’s to make it easier for the end user to do what they want to. People are best at communicating by talking and writing, so having the ability to get things done using natural language is kinda the holy grail.
Being able to summarise/edit/create documents/images/videos, automate tasks, change settings, etc by a simple conversation is an end user dream.
How many misunderstandings happen because people are bad at both writing and talking?
The answer is, a great deal.
Your answer is nonsense.
There is no real use case for the user. There are only use cases for the company.
I’d say there would be a great benefit for a lot of e.g. disabled people who can’t use the traditional inputs. Not saying that as a pro-ai/pro-win argument. Just that there actually will be good use-cases.
That’s not a use case for users. That’s a use case for a very specific sub group who likely weren’t using the OS at all. Not saying it’s not good they would be able to if that works for them, which I doubt.
Its still not a reason to foist it onto all of us
Didn’t say that was a reason to gulp it down. Just that the use cases aren’t zero.
Knew a quadriplegic that gamed with her mouth on windows. A really well working, integrated “ai” would’ve dramatically improved her life and saved her hundreds of thousands for all the equipment and tech-guys. And yes, that’s a very limited use case, but would allow poorer disabled people to also use a computer better.
But that’s really all good reasons I can come up with. For all else noone needs the shit baked into the OS.
For all else noone needs the shit baked into the OS.
So you can’t think of a single reason why anyone that’s not disabled would want to use AI on a computer? No reason anyone would want to use ChatGPT? Generate an image? Re-write some text? Summarise some text or a video? None at all? Really?
I said baked into the OS. Noone needs that. Everyone who needs ai can open a browser. That was the whole topic here, not usefulness of ai in general 😊
I’m dangerously close to moving my gaming pc to Linux. What’s the consensus for the best distro for gaming?
I’m comfortable enough with *nix, as my daily is MacOS and I have a home lab/server.
I use Bazzite. I like it a lot.
Bazzite for gaming no question, thing just works, I can use Linux fine, and very competent in windows also, but with gaming I just want a system I turn on and play, not faff with, I have been using Bazzite almost since it’s beginnings, and am legitimately shocked at how turn key they have that distro for its use case.
Do you have an AMD gpu? I’m running Nvidia GPU using windows 11 and I’m hesitant because I’ve heard people say that Nvidia poses problems.
agreeing with orclev - i setup an older nvidia gpu pc on linux mint and that pc has to have all other applications closed to play minecraft when it used to handle youtube video or actual video running and maybe an antivirus scan in the background and minecraft on top fine in windows.
GPU is running (as opposed to when the driver failed to load haha) but some kind of processing is still on CPU, i tracked down the problem but the point where i figured out i need to keep up with the latest vaapi and compile it to just diagnose it i stopped and told the kids how to quit other programs first before minecraft. or bloons.
edit: found my problem. mission center randomly spikes in cpu and memory use and gets to 99% in both…and i’m constantly running it. now i bask in swap utilization 0% forever and ever
Crazy to me that windows is finally worse than MacOS
Finally got my last PC switched off Windows. It feels good.
The malware has been dewormed.
Linux is the only viable solution to this mess. And no it is not as scary as it seema
Still waiting for nvidia to pull their heads out of their asses and fix gaming performance on their GPUs under Linux before I make the jump myself. And no, I don’t want an AMD GPU.
It’s fine. Not sure where you heard it’s terrible.
I know it’s not terrible, but there is a performance disparity there that you can’t ignore. If someone is spending $1000+ on a high end GPU I think it is fair for them to expect a level of performance that’s a little better than “fine”.
If by disparity you mean sometimes Windows is better and sometimes Linux is better. I have one of those GPUs. Give it a try before you slam it. Valve has thrown so much money into Proton that support is amazing compared to when I tried a decade ago.
Benchmarks are readily available, I have a 5080. Some DX11 and older games do run slightly better on Linux. But a lot of them don’t. And pretty much 100% across the board DX12 games run 10-30% slower on Linux compared to Windows. Nvidia has even acknowledged the issue and claims to be working on a solution.
I’m just shocked Fedora is playing well with a quadro series card, and I’m not looking back. If there’s some bottleneck, it’s no larger than the one on my general experience with windows. Though I would very much like to be runnung a non-tainted kernel.
Yeah I understand that things have improved a lot. But it’s the 10-30% performance hit in DX12 games that keeps me from wanting to dive into Linux as my primary OS on my gaming machine. If they can get that closer to parity with Windows, I’m all-in on Linux for life.
Can anyone give recommendations on what to do if you have to run Autodesk products (Revit. Autocad) for work? No, I can’t swap them for open source alternatives such as FreeCAD as Im working with large international projects. Should I dual boot? Virtual machine inside Linux?
Controversial take:
If Autodesk products is how you make your money - Just use the OS your work provides you. Unless you’re a freelancer, of which that’s your work computer, and lock everything else down.
Work computer is not my problem. Nor am I putting anything personal on there. Microsoft wants to mine my company’s info, let those two deal with that shit.
In order of priority:
- Check for a Linux-compatible alternative
- Try installing/running it via Bottles (a veeeery easy to use Wine frontend, hiding lots of wine complexity). Wine allows running most windows programs directly on Linux, with almost zero performance overhead.
- Try installing/running it via winboat (basically WSL in reverse - a well-integrated Windows VM or container running on Linux so you can run pesky Windows-only programs with it) (haven’t used it myself yet)
- Use a regular full Windows VM on Linux (likely less well integrated and more resource intensive than #3, but maybe even more compatible). Set up a shared folder between host and VM for easy file transfers.
- Dual-boot Windows from another disk. Set up a shared folder/partition for file transfers.
Winboat, for when you absolutely have to use something Windows based on your Linux machine.
Ok, guys. I’m reading some of these replies which are saying the amount of outrage is out of proportion. I have to disagree with that. I don’t want an AI running on my PC that is monitoring and learning about my shit. I didn’t want that data saved even locally, let alone the monetization of that data. I don’t want to be paying for power of a device that is turning me into someone else’s paycheck.
Can you turn it off? I believe you can. But I also believe that doing it manually would be incredibly annoying since that does go with a lot of past practice. I also get it would reactivate itself after major updates, like how Edge keeps reinstalling.
Are there other solutions to my Microsoft issues, yes. Chris Titus Tech comes to mind.
But overall, the Windows ecosystem does not feel right to me anymore. Could other people still use it, yes. Am I going to stop them, not intentionally. But my Arch gaming PC runs games better than the same machine running Windows. I’ve always entertained the idea of a full switch, still have a Windows 11 dual boot and haven’t officially done it yet, but with this the moment feels right. At least for me, hopefully you can understand that.
Do yrself the favor and cut the cord.
