The entire US economy is currently being propped up by growth in the AI/tech sector. And I am convinced that LLMs are fundamentally incapable of delivering on the promises being made by the AI CEOs. That means there is a massive bubble that will eventually burst, probably taking the whole US economy with it.
Let’s say, for sake of argument, that I am a typical American. I work a job for a wage, but I’m mostly living paycheck to paycheck. I have maybe a little savings, and a retirement account with a little bit in it, but certainly not enough that I can retire anytime in the near future.
To what extent is it possible for someone like me, who doesn’t buy into the AI hype, to insulate themselves from the negative impact of the eventual collapse?
Follow the classic financial advice of setting aside enough emergency savings for a period of unemployment and diversifying the asset classes in your investment accounts (eg, retirement, health, education savings) to align with your risk tolerance & goals.
I keep 6 months of emergency savings in a high-yield savings account & let a robo-adviser passively invest my other savings on autopilot. While that means losses with market downturns, all the advice I’ve read & studies they refer to that run simulations over historic data (including shocks, downturns, bubbles) say that impassively holding that strategy has historically come out gaining & beating inflation.
And I am convinced that LLMs are fundamentally incapable of delivering on the promises being made by the AI CEOs.
As a, uh, atypical American, and someone into the ML scene and previously employed in an LLM dev job… I agree.
I don’t think ML is going away, as what’s been made so far are niche tools in the same way a hammer is, but the level of hype and conning is literally criminal.
If you can shift stocks around, take them out of indexes and put the cash in crash-resilient stocks like Berkshire Hathaway (which somewhat famously/infamously saves cash to buy dips during crashes), or Walmart. I’m thinking on such a “Noah’s Ark” basket for myself.
I’m not knowledgeable enough to comment on bonds, gold, or whatever else your savings may be in. But don’t believe a word anyone says to you about crypto.
Start saving a bit extra too, if possible, as the crash may not come for some time. And you want to avoid selling invested savings when the markets at its lowest.
On the tech side, you can get more into self hosting to not be so dependent on Big Tech. You’re on the perfect site to learn that.
If you ask me, that even includes dabbling in open-weights ML stuff, as that might suddenly become a more marketable skill once all the OpenAI hype implodes, and companies sipping the Koolaid turn more practical/frugal.
Other than that… I dunno. Depends on your work and lifestyle, I suppose. I think this will be a bumpy ride no matter what we do.
What did you do in 2020, when everything shut for COVID?
What did you do in 2008, when the arse fell out of the housing market?
What did you do in 2000, when the dotcom bubble popped?
Chances are the answer was “just shuffle on as normal, carry on living paycheck to paycheck, possibly get a new job if you work for somebody badly affected”. Odds are your pension pot will recover by the time you need it.
What do rich people do? They gamble. Watch The Big Short. You could try that, but chances are you’ll lose money. “The markets can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent”, as the old saying goes.
I haven’t seen a job with a pension in the last 18 years being in the workforce.
Unions and Government jobs have pensions. But if you have a 401k or any type of IRA, the same people who invest pensions are also doing that investing for you if you aren’t managing it ( IE: mutual fund and etfs) and the investments are pretty much the same for both, so if pensions tank, so will your 401k.
I will be the contrarian in the room and say that you shouldn’t really do anything different – unless you know that you are going to need that money in the next year or two.
Let’s take the S&P 500. Yes, we know there is an AI bubble, and the same 7 tech companies are knee deep in it. But it turns out that bubbles make money, until they don’t. In fact, a good chunk of the growth in the S&P over the past two years has been in those 7 companies.. If you had made this bet 2 years ago, you would be a big loser now.
So what do you do? Don’t panic sell. You can’t time the market. Sell when you need the money for something else. Sell when you have a purpose. But don’t be too upset when the bubble finally bursts, and it all dives 25% (or more!) . That was never real money anyway.
This is a great question, I’ll be watching the replies. I had a similar thought this morning as I was checking how my very humble ETF investments were looking, and I remembered that NVIDIA is a chunk of one of them…
I don’t have much disposable income to invest, but I like to put a little bit in non-fossil fuel ETFs, and I feel like they’ll get super risky once the bubble pops (which I agree, it will).
Lots of reasonable personal advice here. I want to suggest some community driven ideas, though they’re less fleshed out than I’d like.
Look into community and common gardens (and if they don’t exist, start pushing for a local org to make such space). If you are renting, look into tenants unions (or consider organizing your own).
Invest some in food kitchens + homeless shelters now, while you’ve got something to share. Consider volunteering and becoming more familiar with the resources (you may not need it, but others could).
Consider broader political organizing. The people in power (even in local positions!) when the crisis hits will definitely matter. America gave big buy-outs to businesses during previous crashes; but it could payout to citizens just as easily. Lookup and start discussing policy solutions that could help insulate you and your community. Bring this up at a city council meeting. Write a county representative.
Riding out economic ups and downs is really just about good personal finance. The good advice is the same in good times and bad, which is why it is good advice - in economics, you never really know when good or bad times are coming.
- Spend less
- Earn more
- Invest the difference
Your #3 is problematic.
The basis of the question is where to invest in order to avoid the coming AI crash. Your answer fails.
If you’re certain an “AI crash” is coming, then shorting AI companies is how you’d not only avoid the fallout but actually profit from it. That’s speculative investing though - basically gambling.
For everyone else without the ability to predict the future, the general advice stays the same: invest in low-cost, highly diversified index funds spread across sectors and regions. The markets are deeply interconnected, so it doesn’t really matter where you’re invested - when the market crashes, you’re getting hit. If you’re all in on tech, you’ll get hit hard; if you’re spread out, you’ll get hit less. But either way, you’ll feel it.
For someone in it for the long run, it doesn’t matter what the market’s doing. I just keep doing what I’ve always done - managing my finances carefully and investing my savings.
I do wonder…
With most economic crashes, the rich get even richer. This time it’s different, though.
Right now, the top 8 richest men in the world have as much wealth as the bottom 50%. Homelessness world wide is at an all time high, and a huge swath of people can’t afford all the basic necessities anymore.
If an economic crash happens now, will the 99% of the people finally wake up and just TAKE the resources from that 1%, like it or not?
What do billionaires think will happen to them once shit really hits the fan?
What do you think would happen to billionaires in that scenario? The richest people in the world, who all own their own islands and mega yachts and can easily pay anyone enough money to do whatever they want?
No one is “taking” what they want from them lol.
This time it’s different, though
How? How is this fantasised about economic crash different?
When you have 10000 people to 1, a lot can be accomplished with some organization. You don’t have to get to them on their islands if you take back the mainland. Cut them off. Eventually they’ll run out of supplies, and since they’re used to getting whatever they want whenever they want, they’ll run out of something they’re accustomed to getting within days.
You act like billionaires are some smooth brained Neanderthals who will lose their mind in a few days if they can’t get their favourite smoothy lol
Wen you’re accustomed to privilege equality feels like oppression. And that’s just for us regular folk. These people live a life of luxury we’ll never understand, and they never get told ‘no’. So yeah, as dumb as it sounds, when you’ve lived a life getting everything you ever want finding out you can’t have that smoothie can have an effect.
I’m not saying that first smoothie would be the trigger point, but the idea is lack of access. Cut off the new sewage drainage from billionaire island. Cut off deliveries of any kind. They’re used to lobster and caviar at the snap of a finger. Kraft Dinner will be unacceptable. Lock them in their utopias and see how long they last.
How long until their smart homes break down and they can’t bring in IT to fix it? These things can absolutely have an effect.
You’ve got absolutely no idea how the real world works lol. This reads like some fanfic erotica for people who hate billionaires.
In a world like you’re talking about everyone would be out for themselves, not just billionaires, and at that point billionaires will have even more power because they could pay people to shoot-on-sight anyone that comes near their property, and they could just seize the means of production of whatever they wanted to. They can afford to buy whoever they need to, to get whatever they need to.
It’s also funny how Lemmy is buying up this narrative.
The entire US economy is currently being propped up by growth in the AI/tech sector.
What’s happening is that Dementia Don is curb-stomping the US economy. AI investments, mainly in data centers, are the only thing that still seems promising. When you are on a trek and someone leads you through Death Valley, while pouring out all the water, you shouldn’t blame the last horse that still keeps going.
Putting the blame in the right place would certainly help, with a view toward the mid-terms.
Financially: Diversify. Make sure that you are not completely dependent on what happens in the US. But mind that Europe comes with its own imponderable risks (ie Putin). Same with China. Maybe some old leader dies and the new crew runs everything into the ground; they go to war with Taiwan, that sort of thing.
I don’t know that the OP or anyone else necessarily disagrees with you here. It’s one of the reasons that I believe we’re fucked when the bubble pops. Every other sector is shrinking otherwise, which is only making the mania more extreme.
Trump has fucked the economy, but I don’t expect the next administration to be able to pull off a miracle and fix the mess we’ve created within the next 10 years. Foreign relations and our status as the reserve currency are shot to hell. The US is going to have to answer for our behavior.
Not a useful answer, but a reinforcement of the problem.
Without data centers, GDP growth was 0.1% in the first half of 2025, Harvard economist says
That’s pretty horrific.
It’s also not completely fair, some of that money would have been spent elsewhere without datacenters. Investors still gonna invest.
invest into real world assets instead of stocks. think of the infrastructure you’ll need once everything stops working. food pantries, solar panels, ham radio, water purification, community self-defense, etc. basically solarpunk
