Iāve been trying Lemmy for a little while and wasnāt sure how to feel about it.
Today, I wanted to start blocking the most high-censorship instances until I could find a fully zero-censorship instance and simply block all the ones with censorship. Filter bots, not people.
When I looked into it further, I found out there are no zero-censorship instances, because Lemmy relies on a broken āfederationā system where each instance is supposed to be able to fetch posts from other instances, but itās never been finished to reach a fully working state. Lemmyās official docs say you canāt even do federation over Tor at all. This means it uses DNS, so it wonāt actually allow Lemmy instances to fetch posts from each other freely, it just gets blocked instantly and easily, every time the authorities feel like blocking anything.
So you can only ever have the āaverage joe lemmyā and āaverage joe redditā with everything approved by the authorities, and then ātor copies of lemmyā and ātor copies of redditā where you have free speech but you can only reach other nerds.
People seem to think Lemmy is different because this weird censorship fetish is extremely popular and most of you are happy to see bans happen to certain people, not just bots, so a small Lemmy that censors certain people feels fundamentally different from a big reddit that censors more people. But itās the exact same thing, itās reddit.
When reddit was smaller, you could say basically anything you wanted there, they just wouldnāt let it reach the main audience. Then it got too big, and any tiny part of the audience you could reach would be too big, so they wonāt let you talk at all.
Lemmy is now the small part of reddit where you can say whatever you want, separated from the main audience, until too much growth happens and you have to move again.
Itās not actually a solution to reddit. Itās not designed to be different, itās designed to match the past today and then match redditās present tomorrow, while being part of a system thatās about the same in past, present, and future.
Last year, this year, and next year, youāre posting somewhere it wonāt be seen by many people, and the system that charges people for ambulance rides is getting another year of ambulance ride revenue, facing no organized resistance. Thereās no difference here.
Lemmy urgently needs federation between onion service instances and DNS addresses in order to actually do what most users seem to wish it would do: allow discussion outside what the corporate authorities allow, while outgrowing reddit & helping undo the damage social media has done to human communication.
Edit - I was banned from my instance, and before being unbanned, some of my comments seem to have been removed. I apologize if I hurt anyoneās feelings, but it seems pointless to try to discuss this topic here. Iāll give a few more replies, and then suggest any further responses be directed to me on nostr, where there are no bans. Iāve also had a good time posting on PieFed while I was banned, so Iāll probably keep spending time there. If anyoneās curious, I had a thread about this topic on PieFed too. Btw, instead of the misplaced focus on bots, I should have said filter spam, not people earlier in this post.
When was lemmy.world or lemmy.zip or piefed.social pressured by ICANN? Pressured to do what?
How is that a strawman? You specifically said that Fediverse only exists because MAGA allows it, implying that they could just press a few buttons if they wanted to completely wipe it all out. This seems nonsensical.
I donāt see whatās wrong with ājustifyingā basic rules on a community or instance against child porn, incitement of violence, threats, general personal abuse etc. I donāt think thatās a censorship fetish anymore than a place of work having basic decorum standards has a ācensorship fetishā or is in a ācensorship cultismā trance.
Itās a hypothetical risk thatās never happened.
When they were created, they were pressured to censor non-spammers, such as people who share CSAM or other forms of āchild porn.ā
Itās not. Thatās how DNS and IP addresses work, they can be blocked by pressing a few buttons. I also implied MAGA could make it permanent by using their guns on non-MAGA staff at places like ICANN offices, which is also true, not nonsensical.
I addressed this in my original post. This place (Lemmy/Earth) is overrun with people who are into stuff like this. You know that, and youāre willingly ignore it, since you quoted it with the words ācensorship fetish.ā
Making me repeat myself isnāt gonna magically make Lemmy do much better than reddit.
Making me repeat myself also wonāt move past and present events out of the past and present.
Were they? How do you know that? I think itās more likely that the original lemmy.world admins want to censor that to begin with.
And when has this happened? Is there any good reason to assume it is going to happen?
Okay, so youāll have to get used to the fact that people, mostly, donāt want zero censorship in their communities.
Past events and present events that you canāt even name.
You know the answer.
Same way as you, difference is Iām not trying to lie or gaslight anyone.
More likely than what? I never said they donāt.
I donāt know, have you tried looking it up?
Yeah. hamas.ps has been down for almost 2 years, which is ongoing, and itās safe to assume itās due to the authorities.
Canāt āget used toā something one is already used to.
Example of āget used toā being used correctly in a sentence:
Perhaps in the future, youāll have to get used to more people wanting to be in uncensored communities.
Incorrect. I have specified many times. Scroll up.
I do: They werenāt. They just didnāt want to host CSAM.
No, I think that they came to that decision on their own.
So no-one forced them then. So no pressure.
So you donāt actually know, yet you claim it must have happened.
Never been there. Iām guessing itās a Hamas related site. I doubt it has anything necessarily to do with the US authorities or anything to do with Reddit or Lemmy concerns.
So what now? Whatās your next move? You know thereās no interest in what you want.
You have finally named one example hamas.ps. Youāve provided no examples of any Lemmy community being shut down.
Incorrect.
Didnāt ask, and the ānoā is misplaced since this doesnāt refute what I said, which is still true.
Incorrect. Learn what āpressureā means.
Incorrect. Iām not the one refusing to look things up.
That sounds batshit insane. Let me guess, you think the US doesnāt control āIsrael?ā Fucking delusional.
Perhaps replying to someone else. Perhaps replying to you again.
Yet another weak gaslighting attempt.
You know there is interest in what I want.
Didnāt ask.
Sorry, you think that they did want to host CSAM?
You are making assumptions about the lemmy.world admins that are completely groundless.
What āpressureā was imposed on them?
You made the claims. You back it up. The onus is on you to back your claims up in discussions.
Are you of the opinion that the US shuts down all sites online no matter where they are from?
āYes, hamas.ps was the official website for Hamas until it was taken down sometime after September 2023. The site is no longer publicly accessible.ā
Not sure what this has to do with the Fediverse.
So nothing that gets what you want then.
Thereās no significant interest in what you want. You are a tiny minority.
I did. Do you have an example of a lemmy community shut down by a regulatory body?
For what?
Who? Iām not clicking through to your replies in separate tabs anymore, I only see whatās in my notifications. This doesnāt show me the context of what youāre asking here.
Can you screenshot a place Iāve done that and circle the part where I did? No, because youāre the one saying shit thatās completely groundless.
I remember this question being answered where youāre asking it. Scroll up.
Why should I? What do you see when you Google it? You keep ignoring these questions, and repeating your suggestion.
Thatās why I do. And when the onus isnāt on me, sometimes I donāt. Do you have a point? Is this somehow one of those claims where the onus is on me? If so, what claim (I forgot) and how is the onus on me? And bonus question, do you have any idea why I might have mistakenly not noticed the āonusā in this case?
Not sure what youāre trying to ask. We are currently having this discussion on a website. Iāve been replying from sh.itjust.works for hours without it being taken down, and I"m pretty sure youāve been using that same instance the whole time too. The very conversation weāre having makes it pretty clear I could not uphold the opinion that no websites are allowed to be online.
Not sure what youāre quoting, but sounds true.
Why did you bring it up then?
What do you mean?
You know there is significant interest in what I want. You know we are a significant minority.
I didnāt ask if you asked what I didnāt ask.
Same answer as the other times you asked.
Lemmy.world. You seemed to suggest they were somehow pressured into implementing rules against CSAM material.
Your memory is shocking.
You did not answer.
Burden of proof. Onus is on you.
Iām not going to stop. Non-negotiable.
You have never backed up a single claim with a single source. You make claims, you back them up. Thatās how it works.
I meant are you of the position that the USA exercises its long arm to shut down websites all across the world.
AI results.
I didnāt. You did. You bought Hamas.ps. being taken offline.
That your efforts here are completely useless.
Both of these things canāt be true. If thereās enough interest, then go and make your own fork and edit of Lemmy to work in TOR.
Which is to say, no - you donāt. And youāre making things up.