• tomiant@piefed.social
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    I’m shocked, SHOCKED! Well not that shocked.

    What are you going to try to tell me next, that Russia is the ones who have been employing muslim extremists to carry out terror attacks all over Europe to destabilize it, or that they financed the people behind Brexit, and keep financing right wing extremists and influence elections and fuck with democracy in any and every way they can since decades??

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      There has been evidence of Russia weaponizing migration and using other measures against the EU to destabilize its societies even long before the invasion of Ukraine, but it’s important that we report on that when new investigations reveal new activities imho.

      [Edit to correct a typo.]

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      I wouldn’t say employing. That presumes the ‘employee’ was aware of the intentions of the ‘employer’, and acted based on that.

      Inciting is a better term, as it conveys the clandestine nature of the real intentions behind the actions.

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        “How do you find Gulag? No like? We have an offer. We give you weapons and a car. You go and kill people. Your family lives and will be taken care of. Or we can put them all in Gulag too.”

        Look, I’m a criminal and have lived around criminals my whole life. I’ve also been in the army, in intelligence. I know how things work. People have this grandiose idea of how psyops and crimes are carried out.

        It’s more basic than you think.

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          Except that’s not what happens, is it now?

          No. Most extremists are being fed generally false information, specifically designed to be psychological triggers, increasing one’s tendency to turn to aggression and physicality, bringing them near the point of “boiling over” then triggering it once they’re in the right place.

          Direct coersion is rarely used when psychological warfare - essentially making the extremists believe it was their own idea to commit acts of terror - is cheaper, and less likely to be traced back to you.

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    It only works because Europeans are racist. If Europeans would be like "hi! welcome, nice that you’re here“ it wouldn’t destabilize Europe and Russia would try something else.

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      Dumbest take I’ve seen today. Well done. I hope it’s just trolling.

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          You neglected to account for Russia (directly in some cases here in the UK, for example) funding and lobbying via third parties for xenophobic right wing bigotry.

          This is public knowledge, with reporting covering at least the edges of the schemes. A couple of UKIP ex-MEPs were recently in court for taking Russian brown envelopes to say what they were told in statements to the European Parliament. One of those responsible fully admitted it and pleaded guilty IIRC.

          That’s but one example that’s fresh in my mind, but we in the UK also know that Russian involvement in Brexit was essential to it actually happening. This was both reported on by mass media, and warned about by UK intelligence services, but various elements of the Conservative government of the time had vested interests in pushing it through.

          This is just the UK. I highly doubt Russian influence is any less active on the continent. The myriad provocative events in France, as another example, have been traced to third parties recruited and employed by Russian agents.

          All of this is amplified by the US’ overtly fascist diplomatic stance, Trump and his cohort of cocksuckers attempting to compensate for their self loathing, and the oligarchical techbros egging on the far right at every available opportunity.

          TL;DR The dumb take no-one wants to hear merely demonstrates your ignorance of the reality of the state of global geopolitics