Maybe a sort of psuedo-Brexit approach would be best when it comes to Hungary? Specifically…
1: Hungary effectively leaves the EU in nearly all ways.
2: Hungarians still have free movement, so people can leave Hungary and seek a better life in the EU.
This allows the more libre people and youth of Hungary to leave, while the conservative elements instinctively shelter in place. Plus, Hungarians who go back, will relate their outsider lives to Hungarians who stayed. In effect, the disparity in lifestyle and wealth will become increasingly obvious with every Christmas gathering. Given time, the remaining Hungarians will ask themselves “Why don’t we live good lives?” and start looking at Orban with contempt for mismanaging their nation.
Toss in a provision to allow the EU to vote on whether to let Hungary resume being a full member every ten years, and maybe an optional special vote after a regime change. This gives a lot of flexibility to the EU.
Whether this kind of approach can work…🤷♂️
World’s complicated and annoyingly random.
Oh no, Trump, please. Please don’t convince Hungary to leave. Anyone but Hungary! They’re the economic and democratic backbone of the EU.
It’s insane that these people are elected representatives of so many people.
Who needs enemies with allies like these?
Austria, Hungary, Italy and Poland
There, saved you a click.
3/4 Fascist. What a coincidence.
All filled with either Russian or American assets, maybe except Poland to some extent. But even that is likely to change after the next elections.
If you assume every country is a US-style presidential autocracy, 4/4.
You know what would be to make europe great again? It would be getting rid of the united snakes and it’s proxy in the middle east
I absolutely cannot approve insulting snakes. Or any other innocent animal for that matter.
We can’t use symbolism anymore? There are other context where snakes has positive symbolism
And we’re simping for FUCKING Russian interests‽
Lots of people are brainwashed by social media.
Such a shame that famous people are not jailed for spreading lies
If Poland left the EU, the Russians would march in and take the Sulwalki Gap at a minimum. Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania would disappear too.
Japan and China…nope, they would back stab each other.
Poland’s leadership might welcome the Russians in.
I don’t think Poland would ever actually leave the EU. Every poll says that poles love being in it even if the far right complains a ton. As someone who lived in Poland between 2005 and 2020 the improvements from being in the EU are so noticeable it would be suicide for the country to actually leave.
What a coincidence that the MAGA USA’s policy towards Europe is almost indistinguishable from Russia’s!
The American policy has been exactly this long before Trump. The literal main and pretty much only obstacle to a European army and a European Federation has been the USA, constantly using their leverage and economic/military power to block any such plans from progressing.
Why would US billionaires hand over control of their country to Russia? They can’t be that incompetent and elections are not free enough that it could happen against their will.
It’s not coincidence, but I doubt the Russian influence.
Because a) he’s a Russian asset (apparently) and b) they have incriminating evidence on him and probably a bunch of other billionaires. Also, if they could spend a few billion in return for control of pretty much they would, they’d be willing to pay for it.
a) he’s a Russian asset (apparently
Apparently. It must be part of Flooding the Zone. Everybody has an explanation that is useless because it hides the real motives. Why would the elite accept a known Russian asset? It’s a rumor since the 80ies.
incriminating evidence
Against all billionaires? As in the KGB could have won if they would have had it 10 years earlier? The US billionaires own the media. What could happen if something comes out?
if they could spend a few billion in return for control of pretty much they would, they’d be willing to pay for it.
True, but how could they outspend US billionaires?
You might have sense on your side, but it can be very difficult for a reasonable person to make sense of the influence Putin seems to have on Trump. The man is clinically disloyal, but he takes Russia’s side more often than not.
There could be compromat, but that alone would strongly arouse his ego defense mechanisms. The whole thing might be entirely predicated on flattery. It’s the most disappointing possibility, and we discount it at our peril.
it can be very difficult for a reasonable person to make sense of the influence Putin seems to have on Trump.
That’s the point. Flooding the Zone, to paralyze the voters. The political fabric is remade but people only watch and don’t know who is responsible or whom to support to regain influence. Putin is out of reach unless people are ready for WW3. So all thoughts end there.
I had hoped to see the Russian regime collapse by now. I hope it doesn’t come to that, war is the ultimate failure of imagination.
War is inevitable unless the US step down voluntarily. China is outpacing western innovation. If the US wants to remain the hegemon they have to break China soon.
Russia is a piece in that puzzle, nothing more.
They can’t be that incompetent
Have you seen these billionaires? They absolutely can. The myth of their competence is pure propaganda.
Also, they like corruption because it offers many opportunities for those with enough money to pay. And they like oppression of workers because it provides a ready pool of cheap labour to exploit.
They’ll be looking at Russia and liking what they see, because they don’t see themselves being the ones working for pennies and being sent to die in Ukraine. And they all think they’re the smartest guy in the world (“why else would I have so much money?”) so they don’t see themselves being fucked over by Putin either. For them Russia is the promise of doing whatever you want, taking advantage of whomever you want, and getting whatever you want.
Have you seen these billionaires
Only videos, but they don’t seem to be stupid.
They’ll be looking at Russia and liking what they see
Even if they do, why hand over the country? They control the US.
For them Russia is the promise of doing whatever you want, taking advantage of whomever you want, and getting whatever you want.
What can’t be done in the US?
Only videos, but they don’t seem to be stupid.
Elon Musk and Donald Trump have proven that intelligence, competence, and charisma are not important factors in someone becoming obscenely wealthy.
They are not representative. Most billionaires act differently.
Yes, most billionaires keep quiet. Doesn’t change the fact that just because they are billionaires that doesn’t mean they can’t also be complete idiots.
Some are, but without hard evidence I don’t believe that they knowingly have let a Russian asset come to power who hands over the US to Russia.
Other things are happening and Trump’s Russia connections are a distraction.
Billionaires dont care as long as number go up.
Hungary leaving EU? Oh pleeeaaassse i can only get so wet!!
It wouldn’t be so bad short-term, since it’d stop Hungary from veto’ing everything. However, long-term, losing any EU members is terrible. Especially considering there are already plans to remove veto by moving to qualified majority voting.
No matter what, we need to stick together. Now more than ever. All EU member states are our friends and allies, despite some of them being problematic. The solution is helping the nations with their corrupt governments. Not abandoning them. That’s not unity.
hungary is the welfare state of the EU.
Hungary leaving the EU may not be the best outcome. I fear they would become like Belarus, a proxy for Russia’s hybrid warfare, for instance weaponizing migrants to cause havoc at the border, allow them to operate jammer and drone operation from their terrirory.
I guess the majority of eu citizens hate hungarians by now. what a douche country. i wonder what drives these small dick energy countries forward. look at serbia. same small dick energy like “oh we hate diversity. lets get butt fucked by russia” instead of growing their own balls.
so yeah, fuck the hungarians!
Not hungarians. The government of hungary
My only problem with Hungarians is that they keep re-electing Orban, and even then I understand that given his control of the Press over there, most who do it are just being daily brainwashed to do it.
That said, a Hungary Leave might just be the jolt that’s needed to change things there (and it would isolate the rest of us from their problems plus would seriously dampen the prospects of any Orban-similar far-right in the rest of Eastern Europe), though there is a risk for Hungarian that the place turns into a hard autocracy controlled by Russia like Belarus and thus can’t actually get back to Democracy for at least several decades.
Hungary’s elections are very very far from “free and fair”
Well, since I don’t know enough in that front, I didn’t mention it either way and hoped for somebody more familiar with it to comment!
That said, the “it will give Hungarians a jolt” theory still applies, tough in this case is for more “assertive” actions than merelly voting differently (which in a situation were elections aren’t “free and fair” would be their only option to stop autocracy, even inside the EU) which does have a greater risk of things just getting worse (or maybe not: theoretically the end of money from the EU and of easy access to the EU should push the Hungarian Elites which are “fine with a little autocracy as long as we keep making money” to turn against Orban).
that explains all the protests…not.
There are tons of protests.
What’s your beef here? Some personal vendetta against Hungarians? You missed out on cheap Lake side property around Balaton or something?
Hungary’s elections are very very far from “free and fair”
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IMO: the Americans are adversaries now.
The American government, absolutely. They’ve been pretty open about it.
Yep, because it worked out so well for the UK
So “Make X great again” just means bringing enshittification to the state level yeah?
They never said for whom they’re making it great.
this has putins stink all over it, if its not obvious already.
