for being riddled with both genocide and [for want of a better word] tyranny*.
[* suppression of hemp and other emancipatory technologies, segregation, slavery, jingoism and coups, corruption, robber barons, colonialism and more genocide, etc]
Banana Republics come to mind. But during the time frame the US was doing that, Most of Europe was still doing their own colonialisms.
It was only when Hitler brought colonialism back to Europe that they started to wake up to how bad it was. Well, some of them. France and England had to start losing colonial wars, mostly due to losses suffered in due to WW2, before they slowly started freeing colonies.
Just shows that everyone is shit, and cheering for a team is kind of stupid.
If that was a typo and you mean international, then certainly for Spanish speaking, African, and nearby countries as well as china (which is all we could manage at that time, though we probably would have aggressed Europe as well if we could have). If you’re talking about domestic, then yes if you weren’t the right kind of Christian white man.
No, it wasn’t. It was meant to stop the URSS from expanding further west, and as a bonus shackle the rebuild countries as loyal lapdogs that attended to any and every USA whim.
USAID and similar may make us net beneficial to Africa.
Mostly posturing. If the USA were serious about benefitting Africa they’d do something similar to what China is doing right now, partnering and building infrastructure, instead merciless exploitation and throwing a few breadcrumbs here and there.
Let’s not talk about South America.
But we should. What the USA has done here can only be labelled as evil. Overthrowing governments left and right, supporting murderous dictatorships, merciless exploitation like what it did in Africa as well. Foul, evil stuff.
We love to play the “Obama/Biden were the good ones, they knew how to bomb people and sanction countries ethically” game.
For all Trump’s poison, he was dead to rights on the idea of the Deep State - the core bureaucracy of the US government that demands global hegemony and just can’t decide how to achieve it.
Trump’s been miserable at executing hegemony the liberal way. And we’re expected to believe this will make his administration a failure.
But then you look at fascist Middle Eastern states expanding their territory, South American dictatorships sprouting like weeds, and far-right parties gaining ground all over Europe. Hard to ignore that Palantir is doing just fine. White Nationalists are having a heyday from Texas to Tel Aviv.
Clearly, US hegemony is expanding, just not in the way the Clinton/Cheney neocons imagined it.
Corporate Media can’t seem to decided whether we’re undergoing a fascist takeover or finally Making America Great Again.
I dread to read what the history books say about our country in another ten years, knowing what kind of fucked up AI is writing them today.
Trump complained that a secret inner cabal of career bureaucrats would oppose him. And he wasn’t wrong. The various federal agencies are a seven layer dip of careerist holdovers from prior administrations, many of who were hostile to his brand of politics for one reason or another.
Trump’s framing of the existence and internal opposition by career bureaucrats was that of some insidious anti-American cabal. But the fundamental problem is one every new President faces. Namely, the Burrowing In of political appointees to civil service career roles.
This isn’t a new problem, either. Thomas Jefferson was complaining about the problem hires left behind under the Adams administration. Burrowed-in Democrats plagued Lincoln for much of his tenure and were behind many of the smears aimed at Kennedy after the failed Bay of Pigs Invasion (an Eisenhower-era plot that cost Allen Dulles his job when it humiliated JFK).
How presidents deal with recalcitrant career staffers and opposition party moles can define their administrations. This isn’t a problem Trump just made up. It’s one he doesn’t know how to deal with gracefully.
hostile to his brand of politics for one reason or another.
Because his brand of “politics” is dumb, destabilizing shit that’s bad for America and Americans. That is what they’re there for, to serve the American people and the Constitution of the United States of America.
Trump only serves himself, Putin, and indirectly, Xi.
Also, did you just link me Trump admin propaganda justifying their firing of anyone not loyal to the furher?
Because his brand of “politics” is dumb, destabilizing shit that’s bad for America and Americans.
We’ve had dumb, destabilizing policies in this country since its founding. That’s got nothing to do with the politics of the civil services. Plenty of civil servants are full-on MAGA adherents (and have been even before his first election in '16). Plenty more are die-hard Hillarycrat Libs who have dragged the country in another direction. Trump’s game is to stack his MAGA cronies above the Hillarycrats withint compromising the function of the civil service entirely, rendering it useless.
Trump only serves himself, Putin, and indirectly, Xi.
Jesus fuck dude. Have you really been watching US politics for this long and still not seen Trump acting in the explicit interests of the American billionaire class? Why do you think the Chinese President is closer to his heart than the people he pulled into his own cabinet - Lutnick, McMahon, Vought, and Loeffler? Nevermind Peter Thiel, a man who has become the nation’s premiere military contractor over the last year.
Nevermind fucking Israel.
How are you liberals this fucking blind? Trump’s CIA is systematically picking apart what’s left of Russian industry. His Pentagon is fixated on purging Chinese businesses from the Western Hemisphere. His Treasury has made cryptocurrency speculation a central tenant of fiscal policy. But y’all can’t stop saying “Foreign Men Did This” every time you look at your own decayed socio-economic system.
You’re also blind if you just say “America bad” at every opportunity. No, many of the things he’s doing are absolutely not in the interest of the billionaire class. How do you think bringing back measles benefits them?
Some of the dumb ones might think the pressure on the Fed to lower interest rates is good for their bottom line, but they’re idiots.
All of them will suck up to him regardless, for survival. It doesn’t mean they think everything he’s doing is right by them.
And yes, he’s serving some of them, particularly Peter Thiel. But he’s mostly serving Putin and himself.
We have a wealth disparity/capitalism problem. We have a Trump problem. There’s some overlap, yes, but they’re not the same.
And even Hillary isn’t the devil incarnate you think she is. She’d be more content with the status quo than I’d like, and I voted for Bernie over her, but she’s not part of some grand conspiracy to keep the American people down.
You’re also blind if you just say “America bad” at every opportunity.
It’s shooting fish in a barrel. You don’t need to aim to carefully when you’ve got a target rich environment.
No, many of the things he’s doing are absolutely not in the interest of the billionaire class
Its not in the best long term interests of the country. But then neither is having a billionaire class to begin with. Trump’s looting various cash-rich institutions and easily extorted organizations and individuals for the benefit of his cronies. That’s necessarily bad for the targets of exploitation and good for his in-group, however you might project their futures over the long term.
And yes, he’s serving some of them, particularly Peter Thiel. But he’s mostly serving Putin and himself.
Trump’s firmly in the pocket of the Military Industrial Complex. And that occasionally breaks for or against Russia, depending on who is buying. But it is always and forever a policy that favors more international conflicts and more arms sales because US exports of weapons is a GOP moneymaker.
And even Hillary isn’t the devil incarnate you think she is.
Hillary and Trump were friends. They’ve been political allies and social circle buddies since the 1990s. She egged him on to run in 2016 because she thought he’d be her cat’s paw.
I mean, “now” is doing a lot of load-bearing work in that sentence, but it’s also hard to argue it isn’t markedly worse than it used to be.
I guess unless you’re Russia and their circle. I’m starting to wonder about China, too, considering the geopolitical wedgie they’re giving the US right now.
It is only worse for europe, it was always as bad for the rest of the world. The article make it seems like europe is most of the world. Europe and canada has a history of pretending to oppose the USA foreign policies in the rest of the world while supporting it in secret
It takes deliberate ignorance to reach that conclusion. Forget the cuts in aid, which an article two posts up the chain here was directly linking to a worsening of cholera in South Sudan, the notion that anybody in Brazil or Mexico is going “I can’t tell the difference” is ludicrous. Your mileage may vary on whether Trump invading Venezuela is a good or a bad thing, but I’m pretty sure the regime there isn’t going “same thing, really”.
I guess the Argentitian government would say things are better now, considering they just got bailed out in what amounts to buying a midterm election. In that case I’d wager it’s the opposition who doesn’t find things were just as bad a couple years ago.
What the hell do you have to be on to think only Europe has noticed open fascists being in charge in the US. This is why I’ve been taking a break from this place, holy crap.
The aids that rsf and israel can block whenever they like thanks to the usa allowing them no matter who is in power.
I hate to compare terrible things but do you really believe that currently what happening in Venezuela is worst than the destruction of Libya, the iraq war, the afghanistan war etc which canada and europe was complicit with the USA?
Do you also really believe that europe and canada cares about Sudan? Their goddamn weapons are found in Sudan and they have no sanctions on the UAE
It takes a prodigious amount of entitlement to look at things that way. The leap of logic from a tangible action to… some other thing that happened requires keeping the loosest possible tally and looking at international politics strictly from the lens of how it affects your worldview, rather than the actual impact on the ground.
No, my dear online performative leftist, the US deciding to reverse their policy and cut tens of billions of international aid is not “the same” as whatever war, political stance or act of interference you vaguely remember being mad about a decade ago. They can both be bad without both being the same.
I mean, never mind that the Iraq and Afghanistan wars were started by Bush, in turn the proto-Trump that opened the door for the fascist base to encroach on the US right, the fact that those things happened doesn’t mean that the new, different thing Trump did that none of his predecessors did isn’t worse than what their predecessors were doing. The people that relied on US aid relied on US aid, independently of whatever US tanks were doing thousands of kilometers away.
Trump also reversed policy regarding Israel, incidentally, with the recognition of Jerusalem and moving the embassy. That’s the type of false equivalence that led to him being in power in the first place. Because man, I was not on board with Biden’s stance on Palestine, and I am sure Harris would have been way too lenient with Israel for my tastes, but if you think that’s the same as openly suggesting mass displacement for the sake of turning Gaza into a tourist resort and that it made no diplomatic difference in how fast and what type of ceasefire could have been attained you’re out of your mind.
And this is the last I say about it. I have zero patience for this type of willful ignorance in general, but I also have no energy to be angry. Thanks for the reminder that leaving even a tiny crack for US politics, even if it’s coming from the left, is way too much. The entire thing is toxic. Malign actor indeed.
You have no values, zero . You do not care about Palestine, you do not care about Venezuela , you do not care about Iraq you do not care about anything except defending when of the two political cults you have in your country
It takes a prodigious amount of entitlement to excuse the other American war criminals and American imperialist history before the war criminal Trump took power
The USA is complicit in those conflicts yo claim to care about and you think the aids that get blocked by the USA allies excuses the sale of weapons or diplomatic protections to those allies
I mean, never mind that the Iraq and Afghanistan wars were started by Bush
The war started by Bush but was supported by both the democrats cult and the republican cult and continued during the dems
Trump also reversed policy regarding Israel
Trump did not reverse the policy regarding Israel . Like always genocide Trump are just making the usa real intention loud. The policy of the USA was always for Israel to maintain occupation and genocide Palestinians.
incidentally, with the recognition of Jerusalem and moving the embassy. That’s the type of false equivalence that led to him being in power in the first place.
The recognition of Jerusalem is not what is killing Palestinians it is the billions that the USA gives to Israel no matter if it is the democrats and republicans are in power and on the ground Israel effectively control all Gaza , all the west bank and all Jerusalem.
Because man, I was not on board with Biden’s stance on Palestine, and I am sure Harris would have been way too lenient with Israel for my tastes
What are those stupid soft words and injecting subjectivity on objective situation. You should say I condemn Biden and trump support for the genocide and I condemn Trump support for the genocide which is the position I support
If you think that’s the same as openly suggesting mass displacement for the sake of turning Gaza into a tourist resort and that it made no diplomatic difference in how fast and what type of ceasefire could have been attained you’re out of your mind
Democrats support secretly the mass displacement of Palestinians. Again there is no real major difference between democrats and republicans
During Biden 81% of all structures was affected. 90% of schools, 83% of mosques , 60-88% of health, education and water facilities. 68% of farmland damaged, 79% of it in north Gaza and 57% in Rafah . Yet you shamelessly minimize Biden complicity
Like I started you have no values, zero . You do not care about Palestine, you do not care about Venezuela , you do not care about Iraq you do not care about anything except defending when of the two political cults you have in your country
That’s even worse following foreign cults . You are minimizing one of the two genocide enablers while I condemn both genocide Joe and Genocide Trump equally. Again you have no values.
I backed by claims with stats showing that the majority of Gaza damage happened during Biden and I think there is enough change that Gaza won’t exists by the end of Trump presidency because he has the exact same policies as Biden
If you only consider Europe most the world it would be true bit no the usa beem a malign actor for several decades
I was gonna say, only now? I’m in the US and can see it’s been a bad actor since at least the end of WW2.
The Native Americans called about their genocide way before WWII.
I suspect when our founding fathers were blowing up and murdering their fellow colonists as seen in the Sons of Liberty they were bad actors.
Before WWII was also very bad
for being riddled with both genocide and [for want of a better word] tyranny*.
[* suppression of hemp and other emancipatory technologies, segregation, slavery, jingoism and coups, corruption, robber barons, colonialism and more genocide, etc]
Banana Republics come to mind. But during the time frame the US was doing that, Most of Europe was still doing their own colonialisms.
It was only when Hitler brought colonialism back to Europe that they started to wake up to how bad it was. Well, some of them. France and England had to start losing colonial wars, mostly due to losses suffered in due to WW2, before they slowly started freeing colonies.
Just shows that everyone is shit, and cheering for a team is kind of stupid.
For sure, but was it our primary internal relationship before?
If that was a typo and you mean international, then certainly for Spanish speaking, African, and nearby countries as well as china (which is all we could manage at that time, though we probably would have aggressed Europe as well if we could have). If you’re talking about domestic, then yes if you weren’t the right kind of Christian white man.
I mean, the Marshall Plan was benevolent. USAID and similar may make us net beneficial to Africa.
Let’s not talk about South America.
No, it wasn’t. It was meant to stop the URSS from expanding further west, and as a bonus shackle the rebuild countries as loyal lapdogs that attended to any and every USA whim.
Mostly posturing. If the USA were serious about benefitting Africa they’d do something similar to what China is doing right now, partnering and building infrastructure, instead merciless exploitation and throwing a few breadcrumbs here and there.
But we should. What the USA has done here can only be labelled as evil. Overthrowing governments left and right, supporting murderous dictatorships, merciless exploitation like what it did in Africa as well. Foul, evil stuff.
We love to play the “Obama/Biden were the good ones, they knew how to bomb people and sanction countries ethically” game.
For all Trump’s poison, he was dead to rights on the idea of the Deep State - the core bureaucracy of the US government that demands global hegemony and just can’t decide how to achieve it.
Trump’s been miserable at executing hegemony the liberal way. And we’re expected to believe this will make his administration a failure.
But then you look at fascist Middle Eastern states expanding their territory, South American dictatorships sprouting like weeds, and far-right parties gaining ground all over Europe. Hard to ignore that Palantir is doing just fine. White Nationalists are having a heyday from Texas to Tel Aviv.
Clearly, US hegemony is expanding, just not in the way the Clinton/Cheney neocons imagined it.
Corporate Media can’t seem to decided whether we’re undergoing a fascist takeover or finally Making America Great Again.
I dread to read what the history books say about our country in another ten years, knowing what kind of fucked up AI is writing them today.
That’s not what Trump has ever meant by the “deep state”.
Trump complained that a secret inner cabal of career bureaucrats would oppose him. And he wasn’t wrong. The various federal agencies are a seven layer dip of careerist holdovers from prior administrations, many of who were hostile to his brand of politics for one reason or another.
Trump’s framing of the existence and internal opposition by career bureaucrats was that of some insidious anti-American cabal. But the fundamental problem is one every new President faces. Namely, the Burrowing In of political appointees to civil service career roles.
This isn’t a new problem, either. Thomas Jefferson was complaining about the problem hires left behind under the Adams administration. Burrowed-in Democrats plagued Lincoln for much of his tenure and were behind many of the smears aimed at Kennedy after the failed Bay of Pigs Invasion (an Eisenhower-era plot that cost Allen Dulles his job when it humiliated JFK).
How presidents deal with recalcitrant career staffers and opposition party moles can define their administrations. This isn’t a problem Trump just made up. It’s one he doesn’t know how to deal with gracefully.
Because his brand of “politics” is dumb, destabilizing shit that’s bad for America and Americans. That is what they’re there for, to serve the American people and the Constitution of the United States of America.
Trump only serves himself, Putin, and indirectly, Xi.
Also, did you just link me Trump admin propaganda justifying their firing of anyone not loyal to the furher?
We’ve had dumb, destabilizing policies in this country since its founding. That’s got nothing to do with the politics of the civil services. Plenty of civil servants are full-on MAGA adherents (and have been even before his first election in '16). Plenty more are die-hard Hillarycrat Libs who have dragged the country in another direction. Trump’s game is to stack his MAGA cronies above the Hillarycrats withint compromising the function of the civil service entirely, rendering it useless.
Jesus fuck dude. Have you really been watching US politics for this long and still not seen Trump acting in the explicit interests of the American billionaire class? Why do you think the Chinese President is closer to his heart than the people he pulled into his own cabinet - Lutnick, McMahon, Vought, and Loeffler? Nevermind Peter Thiel, a man who has become the nation’s premiere military contractor over the last year.
Nevermind fucking Israel.
How are you liberals this fucking blind? Trump’s CIA is systematically picking apart what’s left of Russian industry. His Pentagon is fixated on purging Chinese businesses from the Western Hemisphere. His Treasury has made cryptocurrency speculation a central tenant of fiscal policy. But y’all can’t stop saying “Foreign Men Did This” every time you look at your own decayed socio-economic system.
Go Lib Out to the WaPo if that’s your poison of choice.
Or reference Congress.gov for an official definition.
Or just bury your head in the sand for another four years.
You’re also blind if you just say “America bad” at every opportunity. No, many of the things he’s doing are absolutely not in the interest of the billionaire class. How do you think bringing back measles benefits them?
Some of the dumb ones might think the pressure on the Fed to lower interest rates is good for their bottom line, but they’re idiots.
All of them will suck up to him regardless, for survival. It doesn’t mean they think everything he’s doing is right by them.
And yes, he’s serving some of them, particularly Peter Thiel. But he’s mostly serving Putin and himself.
We have a wealth disparity/capitalism problem. We have a Trump problem. There’s some overlap, yes, but they’re not the same.
And even Hillary isn’t the devil incarnate you think she is. She’d be more content with the status quo than I’d like, and I voted for Bernie over her, but she’s not part of some grand conspiracy to keep the American people down.
It’s shooting fish in a barrel. You don’t need to aim to carefully when you’ve got a target rich environment.
Its not in the best long term interests of the country. But then neither is having a billionaire class to begin with. Trump’s looting various cash-rich institutions and easily extorted organizations and individuals for the benefit of his cronies. That’s necessarily bad for the targets of exploitation and good for his in-group, however you might project their futures over the long term.
Nobody in Russia, least of all Vladimir Putin, is well-served by the US continuing to arm and instigate conflicts between Russia and Ukraine. And yet that’s exactly what our foreign services continue to do. You can trace this right back to 2018, when Trump shoveled out a bunch of anti-aircraft missile systems and anti-tank weapons to Ukrainian Nationalists.
Trump’s firmly in the pocket of the Military Industrial Complex. And that occasionally breaks for or against Russia, depending on who is buying. But it is always and forever a policy that favors more international conflicts and more arms sales because US exports of weapons is a GOP moneymaker.
Hillary and Trump were friends. They’ve been political allies and social circle buddies since the 1990s. She egged him on to run in 2016 because she thought he’d be her cat’s paw.
If you hate Trump, you should despise Hillary.
tru dat
I mean, “now” is doing a lot of load-bearing work in that sentence, but it’s also hard to argue it isn’t markedly worse than it used to be.
I guess unless you’re Russia and their circle. I’m starting to wonder about China, too, considering the geopolitical wedgie they’re giving the US right now.
It is only worse for europe, it was always as bad for the rest of the world. The article make it seems like europe is most of the world. Europe and canada has a history of pretending to oppose the USA foreign policies in the rest of the world while supporting it in secret
Buuuullshit.
Utter garbage.
Extremely nope.
It takes deliberate ignorance to reach that conclusion. Forget the cuts in aid, which an article two posts up the chain here was directly linking to a worsening of cholera in South Sudan, the notion that anybody in Brazil or Mexico is going “I can’t tell the difference” is ludicrous. Your mileage may vary on whether Trump invading Venezuela is a good or a bad thing, but I’m pretty sure the regime there isn’t going “same thing, really”.
I guess the Argentitian government would say things are better now, considering they just got bailed out in what amounts to buying a midterm election. In that case I’d wager it’s the opposition who doesn’t find things were just as bad a couple years ago.
What the hell do you have to be on to think only Europe has noticed open fascists being in charge in the US. This is why I’ve been taking a break from this place, holy crap.
The aids that rsf and israel can block whenever they like thanks to the usa allowing them no matter who is in power.
I hate to compare terrible things but do you really believe that currently what happening in Venezuela is worst than the destruction of Libya, the iraq war, the afghanistan war etc which canada and europe was complicit with the USA?
Do you also really believe that europe and canada cares about Sudan? Their goddamn weapons are found in Sudan and they have no sanctions on the UAE
It takes a prodigious amount of entitlement to look at things that way. The leap of logic from a tangible action to… some other thing that happened requires keeping the loosest possible tally and looking at international politics strictly from the lens of how it affects your worldview, rather than the actual impact on the ground.
No, my dear online performative leftist, the US deciding to reverse their policy and cut tens of billions of international aid is not “the same” as whatever war, political stance or act of interference you vaguely remember being mad about a decade ago. They can both be bad without both being the same.
I mean, never mind that the Iraq and Afghanistan wars were started by Bush, in turn the proto-Trump that opened the door for the fascist base to encroach on the US right, the fact that those things happened doesn’t mean that the new, different thing Trump did that none of his predecessors did isn’t worse than what their predecessors were doing. The people that relied on US aid relied on US aid, independently of whatever US tanks were doing thousands of kilometers away.
Trump also reversed policy regarding Israel, incidentally, with the recognition of Jerusalem and moving the embassy. That’s the type of false equivalence that led to him being in power in the first place. Because man, I was not on board with Biden’s stance on Palestine, and I am sure Harris would have been way too lenient with Israel for my tastes, but if you think that’s the same as openly suggesting mass displacement for the sake of turning Gaza into a tourist resort and that it made no diplomatic difference in how fast and what type of ceasefire could have been attained you’re out of your mind.
And this is the last I say about it. I have zero patience for this type of willful ignorance in general, but I also have no energy to be angry. Thanks for the reminder that leaving even a tiny crack for US politics, even if it’s coming from the left, is way too much. The entire thing is toxic. Malign actor indeed.
You have no values, zero . You do not care about Palestine, you do not care about Venezuela , you do not care about Iraq you do not care about anything except defending when of the two political cults you have in your country
It takes a prodigious amount of entitlement to excuse the other American war criminals and American imperialist history before the war criminal Trump took power
The USA is complicit in those conflicts yo claim to care about and you think the aids that get blocked by the USA allies excuses the sale of weapons or diplomatic protections to those allies
The war started by Bush but was supported by both the democrats cult and the republican cult and continued during the dems
The recognition of Jerusalem is not what is killing Palestinians it is the billions that the USA gives to Israel no matter if it is the democrats and republicans are in power and on the ground Israel effectively control all Gaza , all the west bank and all Jerusalem.
What are those stupid soft words and injecting subjectivity on objective situation. You should say I condemn Biden and trump support for the genocide and I condemn Trump support for the genocide which is the position I support
Democrats support secretly the mass displacement of Palestinians. Again there is no real major difference between democrats and republicans
During Biden 81% of all structures was affected. 90% of schools, 83% of mosques , 60-88% of health, education and water facilities. 68% of farmland damaged, 79% of it in north Gaza and 57% in Rafah . Yet you shamelessly minimize Biden complicity
Like I started you have no values, zero . You do not care about Palestine, you do not care about Venezuela , you do not care about Iraq you do not care about anything except defending when of the two political cults you have in your country
For the record, not an American. Which, you know, I thought was obvious from my post, but hey.
I’d add that there’s a difference between caring about outcomes and not having values but, honesly, this is not a conversation worth having.
That’s even worse following foreign cults . You are minimizing one of the two genocide enablers while I condemn both genocide Joe and Genocide Trump equally. Again you have no values.
I backed by claims with stats showing that the majority of Gaza damage happened during Biden and I think there is enough change that Gaza won’t exists by the end of Trump presidency because he has the exact same policies as Biden
Yeah this isn’t really headline news, unfortunately.
Way more than several decades. They startded in the South-East Asia more than a century ago. Latin America shortly after.