Non paywalled version https://apnews.com/article/venezuela-us-explosions-caracas-ca712a67aaefc30b1831f5bf0b50665e
(Thanks to @AnchoriteMagus@lemmy.world )
That’s some good 1984 right there
Kamala would have done the same as Trump because these things are decided by the 3 letter organisations, the politicians are just some face to show to the public.
Oh yeah, I’m totes sure Kamala would also be trying to annex Greenland /s
Obama bombed 8 countries in a year in 2016. Democrats and Republicans are the same in bombing countries for oil and donating money to Israel.
Democrats are a little gay, that is the only difference.
Capturing another countries leader just to hide the fact that you are a pedophile is ludicrous. C’mon internal america. Only you can stop this (for now).
How do I stop it? Half of my family is still delusional thinking this is a good idea. It feels helpless when his cult is still stuck on him.
You don’t stop it (on your own), you work with other people who are trying to stop it.
You figure out what you’re good at and have time for and do that. In a group. Collectively. No-one is saying ’why doesn’t traxex fix this’.
If you want to take on deprogramming cult members yourself there are resources available to anyone to get you started.
Thanks for the reply, I’ll try that as a start.
There’s also oil, our perennial reason for invading and making war (sorry I mean conflict).
This is ONLY about oil. Trump doesn’t give a rats ass about people dying from drugs. He only wants control of the largest oil reserves on the planet. That’s 100% what this is about.
We don’t know he’s a pedophile. And even if he is, that’s not a crime. You mean child molester.
We don’t know that the sun will come up tomorrow, but it’s a safe bet.
It’s also to steal the oil for shareholder profits
Trump is friends with the Saudis. The Saudi’s oil brings in billions of dollars a day. Trump covets that treasure, and wants the same thing for himself.
Venezuela sits on the largest oil reserve on the planet. Whoever controls Venezuela, controls the oil, and Trump has already announced this morning, even before his official announcement that the operation even happened, that they will be taking control of the oil.
Follow the money: This is all about stealing Venezuela’s oil for Trump’s personal financial benefit. Our military has become the muscle for the Trump Crime Family.
Bottom Line: This certainly isn’t about drugs. He just PARDONED the ex-prez of Honduras, who had been convicted of Narcoterrorism in an America court, and was serving decades in an American prison, for doing the exact same thing that he is claiming for Maduro. So save me the breathless rationalization about flooding our cities with drugs.
Again, Follow the money: Trump will pardon Maduro once he pays the proper bribe, and he is in full control of the Oil.
It’s chemically the same as Canadian oil. I do worry this dovetails with his earlier expansion plans and ability to economically coerce.
So much for not following illegal orders. US army is the world’s largest terrorist organization.
Well, it’s an order by the president, so it has to be legal… it is legal right? RIGHT?
FEEL THE WRATH OF OUR FREEDOM
This Futurama bit has passed the test of time
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rFiutKZjRW8&pp=0gcJCR4Bo7VqN5tD
When the president does it, that means that it is not illegal.
What the fuck… What timeline are we on???
The timeline where the US Pearl Harbors a country.
Now, that’s a verb☝️
He verbed it.
We’re on the Beta Seikaisen (Wordline)
What is happening is called Daisanji sekai taisen (Third World War)
Operation Vega has failed… WW3 broke out…
This is the work of The Organization
timeline
Stop with this shit. This isnt some Marvel movie. It’s reality. You are living in the rising age of American fascism, as you have been for the last year.
Its also somewhat witty way of saying that what is happening right now seems so unbelievable it must be somekind of mistake.
Dark times make dark humour and jokes are often easiest way for people to start process things and it does not equal inaction.
If you dont want to see remarks like that, you should maybe stay of internet.
Eek barba durkle…
I’m flabbergasted, this is insane. Why wouldn’t China invade Taiwan now ?
China isn’t AS imperial as the US or Russia. They’re focused on domestic issues and spiking the price of consumer electronics by bombing fabs and spiking the price of everything else through western sanctions is not good for the domestic economy.
Why wouldn’t China invade Taiwan yesterday? Cheap justifications are a dime a dozen, allied fleets of over a hundred ships next door ready to respond to an invasion on a dime are not.
The allied fleets moved from China to Venezuela already.
Eastasia has always been at war with Eurasia
Not sure if China can actually send many families’ only children into an offensive war… could be a lot of backlash…
If they die, the family’s bloodline end.
Do people care about that bullshit any less than they used to?
I’m Chinese American, my entire family was born in China including myself.
My parents really want me to have children. And I mean now I kinda do too, but like I actually want to create life that have the positive childhood I had… but minus the bad parts (my parents were sometimes emotionally abusive, I certainly will not do that if I ever have children). But like when I was a teen, before I really thought about it, but my mom really pushed for it. She really want grandchildren. I mean she probably will have grandchildren, but I’ll have to limit their exposure to my mom… she could get toxic (sometimes, not always)… I know my maternal grandmother said awful things to me, I wouldn’t want my parents to do that to my kids.
I can’t speak for every Chinese person, idk about mainland China nowadays, but my mother really want bloodline to go on. I mean… she literally violated the One Child Policy to have me… she said she wanted my older brother to have someone to play with… (lol our relationship is kinda hostile now, cold-war like), and I feel like its the bloodline thing… if my brother dies, I could still carry on the blood, so its 2x more likely she’d have grandchildren basically, I’m sort of a “backup” in her eyes (she didn’t say it, but this is how I feel tbh). I had an experience when I ran away from home when I was like 6, and later I asked my mom how she’d feel if I got kidnapped, she said she’d just move on and focus on my older brother… like… bruh…
Cuz she’d still have a chance to continue the bloodline so she didn’t care if one of her kids went missing (she didn’t say this part, but I’m just assuming from what she said)
She tells me she loves me very often… but honestly idk, I’m kinda skeptical.
So TLDR: Many Chinese people do care. I was born around the 2000s and my parents certainly cares. I’m like military age now, those in the PLA were probably born around the same era as I did, I’m pretty sure the parents of the soldiers in the PLA would have the same mindset as my parents, they’re same generation I mean, but again, I’m not there anymore so I can’t say for certain.
Edit: Oh yea btw apparantly, my older brother is planning to go back to China for marriage and then bring them over here in the US. Because my mom is constantly urging him to get married and she used WeChat to contact her network of people to help find a potential match… so… yea… there’s that… arranged marriage sort of stuff.
I asked my mom how she’d feel if I got kidnapped, she said she’d just move on and focus on my older brother…
That’s so awful your own parent said that to you, that’s so fucked up. No kid deserves that.
I’m sorry you went through that, it’s not right.
Porcupine, plus too many other countries depend on its chips.
The United States has negotiated “Pax Silica” so that it doesn’t need Taiwan for chips…
You can’t magically mass produce a significant fraction of the 2nm chips you will need in two years just by “negotiating”. These things take decades to plan, build, train.
Because US needs chips.
Why would China need to invade Taiwan? They assert that Taiwan is already a part of China. That would be like the US invading Kentucky. Right? Or is Taiwan a different country from China?
Two differences in your analogy.
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Kentucky agrees that it is part of the US. Taiwan does not believe they are part of China.
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The rest of the world agrees with the US that Kentucky is part of the US. The rest of the world does not agree that Taiwan is part of China.
Also, the US has been invading its own cities.
That’s exactly why he is invading Venezuela.
The courts have been holding him back from deploying national guard - let alone active-duty troops - domestically. He’s got ICE, but he wants more. He wants to declare martial law. He wants troops in the cities. Active-duty, Federal troops, not weekend warriors. The courts say he can’t do that without the Alien Enemies act, and they say he can’t invoke that act without a war.
So we have a war.
- Taiwan’s constition states that they are a part of mainland China. Their position is that the ROC and not the PRC are the rightful government.
- 142 or so countries agree that the PRC is the rightful government of Taiwan. 12 recognize the ROC. And, importantly, 50 or so, including the US, acknowledges the claim that the PRC is making without agreeing or disagreeing with it.
Taiwan does consider itself China. In fact, declaring they’re not might verywellbe the trigger for the invasion. I get that they’re de facto two separate countries, but de jure, PRC and ROC are two sides of the world’s longest and coldest civil war.
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Yea, that is actually not a good analogy…
Also the US already has deployed the national guard to its own states?
I guess they would just kidnap, I mean “capture”, the president of Taiwan to be charged in their courts. No need to invade, it’s just “law enforcement” without a warrant like what Trump is doing now.
Because Taiwan is where the only opposition to the ruling Chinese party lives.
Yes, the PRC claims that there is one country and Taiwan is a part of it. They also know that a seperatist group maintains control of Taiwan. If the confederacy lost all but Kentucky in the civil war, the US would still need to regsin control by military means. I’m not sure it would be called an invasion though.
You have got it backwards. The correct analogy would be if the Confederacy won the Civil War by conquering all of the states in the Union except for Rhode Island, but then later claimed that it was actually Rhode Island that was the separatist group and demanded that everyone in the world agree with this.
This is a disgusting lawless action by a convicted felon who deserves to face trial for war crimes.
LOL. Sure, right after Bush and Blair.
Maduro seemed like a dictator to me, but I don’t know if unilaterally removing him from Venezuela by force is the best option. Ideally Venezuelans would decide for themselves who they want their leader to be.
They tried, but the last two elections were massively fraudulent, and it’s hard to have a revolution when the army is behind the regime.
But this isn’t the solution. As my Venezuelan friend said:
But ok, maduro captured, and theeeeen? Not like he’s the only one. Delcy Rodriguez, Jorge Rodriguez, Diosdado Cabello, General Padrino Lopez, and there are 200+ more people that need capturing
There’s also a massive fraud behind the fraud: there was a huge fake polling and disinformation campaign designed to make it look like there’s more support for the capitalists and right wingers than there is. Like…yes…the election was fake…but where the fuck are these 80% support for his opponent numbers coming from? None of these numbers match what’s on the street.
If you dig through the bullshit…elections would be close…far from the landslides either side promise.
All that we’ve learned here is that in Latin America the USA really really doesn’t like losing its investments. A lesson we already learned 20 times. Soon most of it will just be Puero Rico with less influence.
Now it’s going to be a Civil War, and we will back whichever side will allow Trump to take control of the oil.
He’s draining the swamp with a soda straw.
I drink your milkshake! I drink it up!
trump is gonna install an even worse dictator
You can read history to know without a doubt it is a terrible idea for Venezuelans
This isn’t about what is best for them, it’s what’s is best for the few USA private interests.
Venezuelans wouldn’t choose hard USA dictated capitalism (even if they purged all politicians and start completely anew) and this war is there to change that.
The ONLY thing this is about is Trump taking control of the Vemzuelan oil fields, the largest oil reserves on the planet. He wants to be the equal of the Saudi Royal Family, and stealing the planets largest oil reserves will do that for him.
He doesn’t care about drugs, he just PARDONED the ex-prez of Honduras, who was convicted in an American court, and was serving decades in an American prison, for doing the exact same thing of which he is accusing Maduro.
This about Oil. Nothing else.
Always has been.
That or the first stage of colonising the rest of Americas (Cuba, Colombia, Mexico, … Canada?, etc).
Or just all the things of ‘why not’, it’s not like morals are keeping anyone awake.
Well, he did invoke the Monroe Doctrine in his speech today, even though he has no idea who Monroe is, or what the Monroe Doctrine is. It was supposed to claim America from coast to coast, but Trump is going claim the entire Western Hemisphere.
I also saw him get excited when Rubio mentioned the $50 million reward for Maduro. I give it 24 hours before Trump claims he should get the $50 million reward because he ordered the operation.
Are you 8 years old?
The US will install an 80s style military government. I would be more worried about being able to decide your leader in 2028.
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3rd fucking day of 2026!…
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: Every country pretty much needs to have a nuke now.
That seems to be the lesson Ukraine has taught.
Even before that, look at what Obama did to Libya not too long after they voluntary dismantled their nuclear program.
Except that those with nukes will never allow any country to develop one.
Taiwan tried to in the 80s and got immediately shut down when a scientist defected to the US and revealed the nuke facilities and that’s shut down by allies. And look at them now on the brink of being invaded - bet the scientists feels real fucking stupid.
Eventually it seems like developing nukes will be easy enough i secret that everyone will have them. Apparently it would take many countries like Japan only a year or so to develop nukes in an emergecy so I imagine in 20 years that number will be few months for most countries.
North Korea seems to be doing pretty well in creating their nukes.
The US is the largest rogue state on Earth
Post-Trump, I fear that’s the truth.
Ngl this is a crazy move. Now the opposition will be utterly confused. Maduro is an evil man but also wtf.
Literally why
Oil, rare earth, land with beach property and cheap labor for economic developments. Also democracy.
Now that’s what I call distraction from the Epstein files.bmp
Because he raped kids
Knowing our US legislators, unless the people uncharacteristically push through the primaries & elect in the midterms enough representatives who aren’t spineless losers, they’ll argue an impeachment is a losing proposition and “the nation needs to put this behind them to move on & heal” or some other feckless, self-serving bullshit.
