I went shopping in a new store today. At first I was excited to find something with 100% juice that wasn’t absurdly expensive. But then I looked at the ingredients and saw cochineal extract, AKA carmine, AKA crushes beetles used to make things red.

I just don’t understand. You’ve got this juice, you could totally add beet juice for coloring and achieve a beautiful color. But no, gotta throw insects into it instead. As far as hidden non-vegan ingredients go, stuff from insects tends to fly under the radar. Yet I bet if more people were aware of what they were buying, even non-vegans would take issue with it.

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    I didn’t miss anything. It says total sugars 24g and then leaves that line blank. Then it says no added sugar when apple juice is the second ingredient, which itself should be illegal. It sure seems that you are bootlicking the purveyors of this unhealthy quaff.

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      Immediately calling me a bootlicker, even though I pointed out the label is misleading, classic internet…

      And yes, you are still missing something. Added sugars means sugar added in later into the batch to make it more sweet, the same way you’d add sugar into your tea. Label “Includes 0g Added Sugars” means they added 0g of sugar, simple as.

      On the other hand, that juice still has 24g of total sugar. You correctly pointed out that it comes from apple juice concentrate (and other concentrates, and banana puree). Fruit concentrates can be used as sweeteners and should be counted towards added sugars in other products, however not in the case of juices. The reason for that is very simple - because then nothing would ever be juice. All of it would just be very sweet water. In the same vein, that would be like taking a bag of sugar and calling it a bag of air with added sugar. That doesn’t make much sense, does it?

      Let’s say for a minute that you are correct and sugar from these fruits should be included in the added sugars section. This now means added sugars and total sugars are one and the same, at 24g. So now what is the point of this distinction? More importantly, how would you know how much sugar did they add outside of fruits? I have no doubt corporations would quickly jump on this and start adding in sugar like crazy in order to make people addicted.

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        I didn’t call you a bootlicker I said it seems like you are bootlicking. But it wouldn’t be the Internet unless somebody was misquoting somebody else to for their argument.

        I really didn’t need it explained to me. I wasn’t saying sugar from all juices should be counted as added sugar either. I was pointing out that they use apple juice to get away with not adding sugar. Honestly if we both agree that the label is misleading I’m not even sure why you are insisting on arguing.

        • That wasn’t in your original comment though. It’s a valid point that adding apple juice for the sugar is a dirty way to get around the “no added sugars” restriction. Only in your followup comment did you mention this, but it wasn’t immediately obvious to me either that that was the point you were trying to make.

          I don’t think the other commenter was trying to be patronizing to you, it just genuinely seemed like there was some confusion going on.

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            If that person’s comment isn’t patronizing then I’m totally lost. They even bolded added like I’m a fucking moron. I admit it’s my bad for thinking that people would understand that this clearly has added sugar but I don’t see any reason to reply the way they did.