High-tech goods from China, such as electric vehicles or even robot vacuum cleaners, could represent a security risk, Germany’s BfV domestic intelligence agency has warned.

BfV head Sinan Selen told a hearing of parliament’s intelligence oversight committee in Berlin that the issue was of “great concern” to him.

“I already see substantial shortcomings that create potential for abuse,” he said.

Data collected via the products could be passed on to “state agencies”, he said, leading to risks including “potential shutdown of entire products.”

“In terms of resilience and availability (this) could confront us with problems,” he said.

The warning comes as sales of high-tech products to Germany are growing and Chinese manufacturers compete ever more strongly with their German counterparts.

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  • Jump365@lemmy.zip
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    But US high-tech devices are not? God we are such a vassal-state of the US.

    Right now we would be better off from stopping US and using cheaper chinese goods, while using the differwnce to inveat into real homebrewed technological innovation.

    Instead we continue as a vassal of the US so that American billionairea can keep siphoning off our consumers.

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    If only car companies did not lobby to try to stop EVs, a country people usually don’t support wouldn’t have been leaps ahead of the technology people like…

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    it’s not rocket science. Just band data harvesting from cars. Done. All these assholes do is whine about doomsday scenarios, just fix the problem.

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    Maybe they should legally compel all computer hardware and appliance manufacturers to have fully open source firmware, so all products can be security audited, flashed with FOSS code, and true ownership returned to the buyer, so all products can be used indefinitely without any internet connection, with FOSS apps, or a local or remotely self-hosted controller at the users discretion?

    Maybe we could take actions that genuinely reduce anti-competitive walled gardens, ewaste, and vulnerabilities… while increasing freedom, competition, and quality of life?

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        If all computing firmware were FOSS, disabling hardware components such as radios would become trivial. Can’t communicate if it speaks no language.

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    All modern cars are a security risk. This has been going on for a long time now. It’s only going to get worse.

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        They could be more affordable if they cut the subscription and luxury bullshit.

        German carmakers used to be a decent value proposition, almost as good as Japanese. But They picked up the enshittification mandate pretty quick and then expected EU protection so they can cry all they want.

        Hope the profits suffer. They will always blame the staff of customers rather than the greedy exexs and shareholders.

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        European cars already are affordable, and they are free of forced labour

        (X) sorry, not true. Affordable are only very basic versions with lowest range. And forced labour, the automotive industry lobbied hard and successfully not to have this type of transparency and none will guarantee this in writing.

        Unfortunately, you pay the “manager mismanagement bonus” currently still.

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          They’re just lightly subsidised. You see, there’s a magical level of subsidy that distinguishes between heavy and light that makes one bad the other not. 🤭

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        free of forced labour

        Oh yeah? So European cars don’t contain Chinese-made parts? You sure-sure about that? If I pop the bonnet of my VW right now and I spot a Bosch part that says “Made in PRC” on it, how much forced labour would you say it’s got in it?

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        Forced labour, sure, I doubt that happens in European auto factories. To be fair, it’s not Xinjiang cotton, so I’m not sure how much the Chinese are doing, either.

        Subsidies, ehh… Last I checked big auto has a lot of political pull, at least in Germany.

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          This is always the same misleading propaganda. These subsidies in ‘capitalist’ Europe are paid to consumers, in ‘socialist’ China the subsidies are paid to the car industry. And Chinese subsidies are much higher and go far beyond direct payments.

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            Okay three things:

            1. You are blatantly moving the goalposts right now.

            2. Consumer subsidies pass to businesses anyway because they increase demand enabling them to raise prices, as seen from the American college system.

            3. Almost every single entry in that article has a subsidies for businesses section.

            You can’t be fucking serious. Actual gaslighting.

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              This is nonsense. Both the structure and volume of Chinese subsidies are fundamentally different. One result is that Chinese markets see fierce price wars. There are some 130 carmakers in China, but just three of them are in the black (while even they have been facing drastically falling profits). The whole Chinese car industry depends on state support. The money is given to a few owners and their managers.

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    “Electric propulsion and large battery packs? Run for the hills!”

    Dumbass media can’t tell apart a transmittor from an electric motor.