Human shields is the same propaganda they used in Vietnam, Korea, and Iraq. If you want me to believe this human shields rhetoric, show me proof or I’ll chalk it up to another excuse for a free fire zone.
… using human shields during conflict isn’t propaganda. It’s a very effective strategy for asymmetrical warfare.
It’s every time a combatant is fighting out of uniform, around other people that are not soldiers and wearing the same kind of stuff he is, that’s that fighter using those other people as human shields, to make it more difficult to single him out and attack him. Particularly with high explosives.
Super common strategy, goes back a long time. Very effective. Preventing it is one of the reasons we make our soldiers wear uniforms, and protecting civilian lives is why we made it illegal at the international level. Otherwise everyone would do it sometimes when they’re locally outnumbered, it’s just strategically beneficial. And more civilians would die because of that.
If you’re gonna kill someone who isn’t attacking you and isn’t wearing a uniform, you better have a good reason for that. Unless you like being associated with Genghis Khan. I know some people do.
Do you think it’s not used as justification to indiscriminately fire upon residential or refuges areas? Can you really tell me with a straight face that the US wiped out 1/5 of Korea in the 60s because they were all collateral damage/human shields? Can you also tell me with a straight face that its more likely that Hamas is keeping 1 million people locked inside Northern Gaza, or is it more likely that Gazans realize that if they leave they can never come back. And even if they DO leave, have fun because the Israelis bomb evacuation routes marked as “safe”.
I see no problems with the accurate, truthful answer simply being d) all of the above.
Also, don’t forget, we’re supposed to learn from previous generations mistakes, not just carry them into the future. I try to remind people that the main reason we know indiscriminate civilian bombing is not effective, and thus don’t even want to do it anymore, is because we have a lot of data from previous generations making that mistake, and proving it doesn’t work. We can look back on that knowledge, earned through blood, and choose something smarter.
Again I’m going to need evidence that they are keeping 1 million people hostage from someone other than the people who have killed over 10000 civilians in a month
You’re never gonna get evidence from the Pro-Israel crowd. I’ve been asking for months and the best I got was a document that said that “the IDF reports that it found ammo in a civilian house”. That was one of the 11 “examples” of Hamas using human shields.
But you know what there is evidence of? The UN has evidence that the Israelis used Palestinians as human shields. Check out section XIV of the Goldstone Report (scroll to “Report of the United Nations Fact Finding Mission on the Gaza Conflict” and download the document)
Human shields is the same propaganda they used in Vietnam, Korea, and Iraq. If you want me to believe this human shields rhetoric, show me proof or I’ll chalk it up to another excuse for a free fire zone.
… using human shields during conflict isn’t propaganda. It’s a very effective strategy for asymmetrical warfare.
It’s every time a combatant is fighting out of uniform, around other people that are not soldiers and wearing the same kind of stuff he is, that’s that fighter using those other people as human shields, to make it more difficult to single him out and attack him. Particularly with high explosives.
Super common strategy, goes back a long time. Very effective. Preventing it is one of the reasons we make our soldiers wear uniforms, and protecting civilian lives is why we made it illegal at the international level. Otherwise everyone would do it sometimes when they’re locally outnumbered, it’s just strategically beneficial. And more civilians would die because of that.
If you’re gonna kill someone who isn’t attacking you and isn’t wearing a uniform, you better have a good reason for that. Unless you like being associated with Genghis Khan. I know some people do.
Does it happen, absolutely.
Do you think it’s not used as justification to indiscriminately fire upon residential or refuges areas? Can you really tell me with a straight face that the US wiped out 1/5 of Korea in the 60s because they were all collateral damage/human shields? Can you also tell me with a straight face that its more likely that Hamas is keeping 1 million people locked inside Northern Gaza, or is it more likely that Gazans realize that if they leave they can never come back. And even if they DO leave, have fun because the Israelis bomb evacuation routes marked as “safe”.
I see no problems with the accurate, truthful answer simply being d) all of the above.
Also, don’t forget, we’re supposed to learn from previous generations mistakes, not just carry them into the future. I try to remind people that the main reason we know indiscriminate civilian bombing is not effective, and thus don’t even want to do it anymore, is because we have a lot of data from previous generations making that mistake, and proving it doesn’t work. We can look back on that knowledge, earned through blood, and choose something smarter.
Again I’m going to need evidence that they are keeping 1 million people hostage from someone other than the people who have killed over 10000 civilians in a month
You’re never gonna get evidence from the Pro-Israel crowd. I’ve been asking for months and the best I got was a document that said that “the IDF reports that it found ammo in a civilian house”. That was one of the 11 “examples” of Hamas using human shields.
But you know what there is evidence of? The UN has evidence that the Israelis used Palestinians as human shields. Check out section XIV of the Goldstone Report (scroll to “Report of the United Nations Fact Finding Mission on the Gaza Conflict” and download the document)