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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml to China, 中国@lemmy.ml · 4 years ago

"Is China Capitalist?" Vijay Prashad on Chinese Socialism

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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml to China, 中国@lemmy.ml · 4 years ago
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    China is capitalist.

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      It’s demonstrably not, but it’s pretty clear no amount of evidence to the contrary will ever convince people living in the imperial core.

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        Of course they’re communist, it’s in the name!

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          And they very much live up to the name. If we take China out of the equation poverty actually increased in real terms:

          If we take just one country, China, out of the global poverty equation, then even under the $1.90 poverty standard we find that the extreme poverty headcount is the exact same as it was in 1981.

          The $1.90/day (2011 PPP) line is not an adequate or in any way satisfactory level of consumption; it is explicitly an extreme measure. Some analysts suggest that around $7.40/day is the minimum necessary to achieve good nutrition and normal life expectancy, while others propose we use the US poverty line, which is $15.

          China also massively invests in infrastructure. They used more concrete in 3 years than US in all of 20th century, they built 27,000km of high speed rail in a decade. 90% of families in the country own their home giving China one of the highest home ownership rates in the world. What’s more is that 80% of these homes are owned outright, without mortgages or any other leans. Real wage (i.e. the wage adjusted for the prices you pay) has gone up 4x in the past 25 years, more than any other country. This is staggering considering it’s the most populous country on the planet. Social mobility is very high as well.

          And then there’s the handling of the pandemic where it’s all but eliminated in China with life getting back to normal. On the other hand, capitalist nations left their people out to dry in order to protect business interests as one would expect a capitalist state to do.

          Chinese government has recently passed massive regulation on big business and released a a five-year blueprint calling for greater regulation of vast parts of the economy. The government has also openly stated that the era of capital expansion is over and the interests of the majority outweigh the interests of shareholders.

          This is something that simply does not happen under capitalism. Compare China to India and you can a stark contrast in their development with India going the capitalist route.

          Finally, 87.6% of young Chinese identify with Marxism, and the party has 95 million members. I’m going to go out on a limb and suggest that these people do in fact understand what communism is, and likely a lot better than you do.

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            None of this goes against capitalism. Your definition of communism is “when the government does stuff”.

            All these statistics show me is that China has a capitalist system with a high growth rate and a heavy handed government.

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              No, my definition of communism is a country where the working class is in charge. This is very clearly the case in China. It’s also worth noting that all the core industry in China is publicly owned which is not the case in any actual capitalist state.

              Your argument is basically that since China has special economic zones where capitalism is allowed that makes it capitalist. This line of argument is just as absurd as saying that Canada is communist because there’s free healthcare.

              To sum up, China is a country where Marxism-Leninism is the official state ideology, it’s governed by the communist party, vast majority of the population are communists, all the essential economy is state owned, but it’s actually capitalist. Some serious galaxy brain logic there bud.

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