Reddit: User content belongs to us. You can’t scrape, collect, use, or have bots interact with it… unless you pay us.
Also reddalso Reddit: since all users have left, most of our traffic now consists of posts from AI bots that we’re really really blocking!!
Lemmy is the same in terms of ownership btw, as is pretty much every online platform. Anything you post is owned by the owner of the instance that it is on and that it federates to. You don’t own it.
I dare you to compare the largest possible instance vs Reddit as a whole.
I don’t think you understood my comment.
Unauthorized AI bots
100%. Reddit loves bots that they control, like the ones that go back and constantly re-post years old top rated, traffic driving content, complete with a replica of the entire comment section posted by hundreds/thousands of bots, because they can use it to do their bidding in pushing agendas and/or driving traffic/engagement.
I don’t believe that for 1 millisecond.
Spez won’t be able to stop himself from enshitifying reddit in any way he can to appease those VC pump&dump scammers he’s spent the last decade ruining reddit for.
Fuck reddit, It’s a shithole.
Sometimes I have to return for various reasons. God. Some of them have absolutely bled over to the fediverse, but holy HELL are the people and the culture there messed up. I don’t know if it’s getting worse or I’m healing.
Personally I feel like I am healing. I haven’t signed into reddit since they bent the knee to musk. I have noticed that I have become less toxic. I still go off half cocked like an idiot but I have been more tactful about it. I hope to keep working on it because I honestly never noticed until I had been away from reddit for a few weeks.
I haven’t signed into reddit since they bent the knee to musk.
What did I miss here? Reddit hates musk…
Spez doesn’t
How did they bend the knee to musk is what I’m asking.
What, like Xitter did?
No they wont. Just those who haven’t paid them first.
step one: ban everyone who writes an emdash
I like em dashes. I learned the alt code for en and em dashes just so I could use them easily on a computer. There is a difference between a hypen and an en dash, and a double-hyphen is but a simulacrum of the em dash!
- Hyphen is just for double-barrelled words
- An en dash is useful – at least sometimes – for inserting side thoughts
- ah boy I sure hope an em dash doesn’t interrupt m—
But let’s be real, I type kinda formally, like an AI, sooo
I am not convinced. Sending you to the crypto mines where all AI belong. See you in ten thousand years.
I love em dashes. Fuck AI.
I always get ‘Blocked by Network security’ for trying to access Reddit from a VPN
Yeah they’ve blocked VPNs because they want to be able to know exactly who their users are. They don’t want anonymous anymore.
If only they accepted the reality of massive residential proxy networks…
A shitton of apps not only sell your data but also use your device as a tunnel.
the users that posts links,a re using rotating mobile proxies, plus other sophisticated methods to hide thier browsers.
It’s already happening, I see I opened accounts but none of my comment gets posted with accounts I don’t know why , this is with new accounts
sounds like you got shadowbanned, you can check your username, by not logging in and click your profile.
it usually says “cannot find profile” on a browser, which means shadowbanned.
That’s a shadowban
Same happened to me, all my old accounts which I had for years got banned for no reason and new accounts gets banned as soon as I comment.
Your IP address/device fingerprint has been blacklisted. They do daily (possibly a few times throughout the day) automated bans of any accounts that visit the site from IPs of users they have banned. Commenting automatically triggers an IP check so you’re banned instantly, but if you didn’t even comment your account would be banned by the end of the day.
I tested this after I wiped and deleted my accounts back when they made all the API changes. They undeleted my account, undeleted all of my posts, and then permanently banned my account. I then signed in to one of my alt accounts that has never commented to see if they had banned it, and they hadn’t - until a few hours later when it was permanently banned for “ban evasion”. I created a new account to see what would happen - same thing. I then turned on the built in VPN on a browser and set it to always be active when on reddits domain and made a new account, and that account to this day is still not banned.
Like “closing the gate after the sheep already escaped”, but in reverse?
like: Closed the gate after the wolf got in?
Closing the gate after the wolves have got in eaten all the sheep, had a nice rest, and then left. And then about 30 years past.
Sure maybe small trees are now growing in the now ungrazed pasture, but I guess late is better than never.
The bots post better comments than most of their users.
Someone could create a forum for bots to discuss with each other. Call it Redbit. The bot could generate every possible questuon to ask and even steal questions from quora, reddit, Xitter, and every other forum, various AI bots can then reply to those questions with the best replies.
It can help put reddit out of business. Since most people are just looking for answers when they search google and get a reddit hit, most people don’t even bother to sign for reddit and etc.
That was just /r/subredditsimulator
we should make an instance that’s just bots talking to each other
*reddit will tag their own chatgpt bots to prevent them from being banned, and then through false positives will ban the last of the real users from the site.
i bet they also ignore half of the propaganda bots to look fair in thier moderations. the only signicant bannings we see is actual users, and the low hanging fruits, of and people posting links to thier businesses.
No they won’t lol
If they didn’t do it already, it’s not gonna happen now. This is lip service to the shareholders
They want more users to make accounts. Blocking nsfw content to non-users was a start but now they can make a bigger push.
Nsfw Still works in old.reddit as a non user.
Or so a friend tells me
It’s in their best interest to suppress non-human conversations. What are you talking about?
Is it? Reddit has been full of bots for years.
And if the r/CMV thing didn’t make it apparently, the recent wave of them weren’t “caught in the act” and only became a “problem” when the researchers announced their shitty experiment.
If realistic chat bots can fool the masses, why on earth would reddit get rid of them? It helps their metrics. “Look at how active our site is! Buy stock!”
half of thier site are bots, RUSSIA probably makes a majority of those bots, something reddit isnt doing anything about
when the researchers announced their shitty experiment.
Shitty experiment? On the contrary, it was an amazing experiment.
Meta is paying to make its bots, Reddit gets it for free!
A metabot walked into a subreddit…
I know you enjoy hating on Reddit but what you’re saying doesn’t make any sense. Reddit is an advertising business. Bots don’t view advertising but adds infrastructure cost. Additionally, humans are way better at engagement with the platform and people than bots.
Bot activity brings “engagement” which generated more page views from actual humans. Literally the only downside of this announcement is the optics of having bots in the first place.
The bots were already indistinguishable from humans on reddit, do you really think that this recent scrutiny is going to lead to fewer bots? Or might it actually lead to better bots?
Additionally additionally, as it says in the article, reddit sells its content to OpenAI, and in order to do that, they need it to be organic. If you feed AI output back info AI, it makes the output worse, not better. So, there’s another financial incentive to ensure that the people talking on reddit are actually human.
If you feed AI output back info AI, it makes the output worse, not better.
Yeh but feeding reddit user output into AI is part of the reason why AI is so confidently incorrect so often.
I would like to remind you of two things. The first is that reddit used to have a mod tool called “BotDefense”. Its shutdown in July of 2023 directly lead to a major uptick in Spam Bots.
The second is that part of the ad revenue is “impressions”. Impressions are just an account (bot or human) “viewing” the ad and they do not require a click-through. The platform hosting the ad still gets paid for those.
If openai kept buying reddit data after 2022, they are idiots. They let the cat out of the bag.
they are selling it to both OPENAI and google for thier AI too.
Where on Earth have you gotten that bizarre idea? It is in their interest to promote engagement, human or not, by any means necessary.
No it isn’t and they have openly talked about doing this practice back in the early days of reddit to make the site appear more active than it really was. Nothing has changed.
Only their own bots are allowed.
What and destroy 90% of their traffic?!?
“That’s a bold move, Cotton. Let’s see if it pays off for ’em.”
AI bots.
Not the rest of them.
Yeah the manual bots are ok (humans?) I guess
Yeah it’s definitely the bots and not the fashy admins that drove me away from reddit.
I mean the bots don’t help. The sheer number of obviously AI subreddits and response farms is crazy. There’s like 6 prominent “Am I the Assholes”, a bunch of text message “screenshot” subreddits which have always been easy to fake, and a bunch of “explain the joke” ones too. I stop reading halfway through most text posts and comments because it’s obviously AI
the number of the explain the joke threads on the all page is ridiculous.
I made a lemmy post about it but I theorize they’re crowdsourced AI training. Post something, post a couple of separate AI interpretations of it, then analyze the highest up voted AI and “organic” responses, and feed that back into the model. Rinse/repeat
That’s fair, it just seems like that if they’re going down the list of problems looking for things they can do to make reddit a better place, it doesn’t make sense to not start at the top.
“Better for who?” is the question you need to ask yourself, because it’s absolutely not the users anymore.
Yep, entirely fair. S’why I left.
I got banned from reddit for a few days once because I posted something similar. Was told I was threatening violence. Lol
Like a war on terrorism, that then fights domestic terrorists, that then protects Tesla; any new power will inevitably be abused. Snowden taught us that a long time ago.
Por que, no los dos?
I mean it’s definitely both, but the fashy admins were the last straw.
Everyone has their own reasons. If you disagree with their management, then you should celebrate other people choosing to leave, even if for different reasons than your own.
I’m not complaining about people leaving, just saying the bots are not the biggest problem.
