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Nice propaganda, from those who wants people to stop using apps that they can’t control.

I agree on that part. Greed is a bad thing, and I don’t support that either.

For me, leaving is a statement, and a personal reason. I don’t see how it could not be both? I don’t know anyone who trusts them. But shifting the powerbalance towards privacy and ethics, will never be a bad thing.

I don’t disagree… but we must keep the pressure up. I know I’ve helped a little more than 10 people leave FB and Google (and most of Microsoft)… A couple of them have left Apple too… It’s a slow, but steady movement. :-)

That’s just about numbers. Most sites will adjust, if enough users are turning away to another site that are less intrusive.

Being one yourself, that would make sense. You’d have a strange conversation.

So, where did I use name-calling?

An open discussion is always welcome. Someone hijacking a conversation is not. So yeah… your bad.

1. it’s not true. Default calls are encrypted.
2. I have not said anything about what I want for Telegram. Are you trying to make a straw man here? Not that you want to interject yourself into this debate - then tell me, what is the big problem with the serverside not being OS? I did write it would be optimal, but what is the big issue for you? Try to answer without making another straw man about something I didn’t say… ;-)
3. I don’t care about your trust issues. Go deal with them…

So far, don’t you think that you really would know, if government was involved in any way that didn’t involve crime fighting? Do you prefer an app, where crime roam free? Is that your issue? That it doesn’t?

AFAIK it’s you and two others, who don’t acknowledge my preferences… So please consider following your own advice!

First of all, you injected yourself in my debate with another person. You do it by answering for that person, which mean, you lie by default, since you don’t know that persons answers. Then you say there are no end-to-end encryption by default, but that depends on what you use it for. Calls are encrypted by default.

But nice to know that you really didn’t have any serious red flags. Now it would be nice to hear from the person I was originally debating with…

There’s end-to-end encryption. It’s fine that you can chose what needs to be private, and what doesn’t need to be.

There could be several reasons as to why the servers are not OS. Why do you need that part to be OS? Seriously, why?

Oh, so your problem with Telegram is, that it had some issues in the past, just like EVERY other app in the beginning? Nice one. :-)

So, let’s summarize.

1. You lie, and say that there’s no end-to-end encryption when there is.
2. It would be preferable to have OS servers, but it’s not a major issue, since everything else is.
3. You have an issue with something in “Back to the Future”… Which is no longer an issue.

You contradict yourself. You can’t say that the price is fair, for something that doesn’t have the features that the price should cover.

Feel free to list them - with evidence and not just prejudice…?

I don’t mind paying a fair price, for a service, so they should go for it. I use both Signal and Telegram, and I would pay for Telegram too, if the price was more fair…

Everything is insecure for the user. Google, Apple, Windows, knowingly includes apps with features that is ignoring your privacy. So “insecure” is a wide topic, we’ve accepted to debate only in certain narrow areas. F-Droid makes people a little more aware.

Don’t use them.

If your computer can’t handle Linux Mint, then either you do something wrong, or your computer is really unstable. I won’t ask you to use Mint, but I will say, that I use it on three different computers, and not a single problem anywhere. Dual-boot is notoriously unstable - mostly due to MS… So my advice is, to use a computer for Linux by it self…

I have been dealing a lot in piracy. I don’t really do that anymore. I’ve switched to many free or fair software creators. I don’t mind paying for the software or games I use. I do mind paying for something, and then not owning it, and being tracked by it and just paying a lot, because the software producer has a kind of monopoly.

I support FOSS and others, with small donations. Like Mozilla, LibreOffice, Inkscape, Krita, Linux Mint and a lot of others.

I think you should pirate away on unethical companies. Do it for many of the reasons other mention in this thread, and do it because they are greedy and don’t respect you!

Well, it’s not that difficult to cancel a subscription…

I can’t see why it shouldn’t be. I have used it with touch screens. It works great. Remember that Android is linux too, and that really spurred the development in that area… :-)

Leave it to rot - if you have left, then don’t go back to that cesspool…