Why should progressives running against democrats while railing against the Democratic Party expect a helping hand from their opponent/the democratic party?

Why should progressives get treated worse by democrats than republicans do? You’re acting like progressives are instigating here.

Progressives have won many local seats in places, so no they are not being stopped.

centrists don’t have to be 100% successful in their efforts to make sure that only republicans and centrists are allowed to run.

At higher level offices yes of course they struggle to knock out funded, well known incumbents.

So how low is the cutoff here? Where’s the line that deliniates “where progressives can win” and “where putting our thumb on the scale against progressives is acceptable”?

But it’s the pitiful turnout at these primaries is the real problem.

Cuellar beat Cisneros by like 500 votes after the party put its full weight behind him. Of course, he was a high enough level to be worth protecting. At the same level, we had Cori Bush and Jamaal Bowman, who the party didn’t want to protect because they were progressive incumbents.

Why would they expect a friendly, helping hand from an org they often paint as their opposition?

Because we’ve seen decades of the democratic party offering a friendly helping hand to republicans.

why not take a page from the right’s clearly successful playbook and vote more in local politics and primaries.

I vote in primaries. I also see how, in local races, the party pulls out all the stops to stop progressive challengers to conservative incumbents, an advantage not afforded to progressive incumbents with conservative challengers.

republicans never vote for democrats, yet democrats never stop chasing their votes.

the left wing are far more reliable voters for democrats than the republicans whose votes centrists envy. And their votes are actually gettable. You know their issues.

So, republicans just piled on the anti-trans hate last election, and democrats responded with either silence or running their own anti-trans hate in their own ads.

Republicans are going to choose republicans, no party stood up for trans people, and the Overton window on trans people moved to the right. democrats not only didn’t say boo, a few of 'em said yay.

Of course the window was gonna shift with no one counteracting the propaganda. The same propaganda you’re boosting.

Pandering only works if you’re delivering more of what your audience wants than your opponent. It yields no votes from right wingers when they can choose fascists and get more of what they want.

But it does alienate people who would otherwise be your natural allies.

Bigots are all such entitled babies.

You broke the social contract by being a bigot. You refuse to treat trans people with respect and goodwill, yet expect it from others.

I hope lemmy’s mods never start acting like reddit mods. I hope they never start protecting bigots. (EDIT: sadly, that ship just sailed.) Bigots have too many platforms where they are welcome already.

Where bigots are welcome, no one else is.

I’m not discrediting you nor do I think my beliefs are absolute fact.

Nope, you’re just saying that your beliefs are sufficient grounds for being a dick to people you hate.

Sure is neat how quickly you go from “we shouldn’t let trans people use public restrooms because of bigots’ beliefs and you’re a bigot for disagreeing” to ignoring me for mine.

I believe you should listen to and agree with everything I say. How dare you attack my beliefs, bigot.

I believe it’s the only thing in the universe that can possibly be relevant in any context.

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They failed to kill more.

Say that where people can, cowardly bigot.

You seem to be operating under the assumption that there is any context in which your interlocutor would accept trans people being treated like people.

A lot of people are uncomfortable with bigots leaving reddit and joining lemmy.

So many countries are worse than mine.

And so many more would be, but your country contains you.

I only talk about china because most people on this platform view China as the shining hope. That can do no wrong.

I found that telling you my positions on anything just gives you something to troll with, but it turns out that my positions don’t matter to you since you’re just trolling. Like so:

If you dislike china, then I’ll start talking good about china 🤣

This really just is a game to me isn’t it

Well, that’s because you’re a troll.

I get that you want to talk about anything but how your country committed atrocities and how your positions represent a continuation of same, but no.

I am not going to indulge your whataboutism. harris didn’t support the genocide in gaza hard enough for your liking. You’ve spent this entire thread saying she wasn’t far enough to the right for you and I sincerely wonder if trump is far enough to the right for you either.

Now try desperately to steer the conversation to a country you think is worse than yours. Well, congratulations on being second worst to China. You must be so fucking proud. If they were a majority white country, you would support 100% of their atrocities and clamor for more.

Whataboutism. The Gaza genocide wasn’t enough for you.

I know. Your country has a proud history of being happy with atrocities elsewhere as long as you’re comfortable.

You typify it. Go away troll.

Then it would be smart of her to go more right wing, right?

How far to the right did you want her to go? How many more genocides would it take? Maybe you would prefer if she campaigned on lopping off children’s hands for not producing enough rubber?

Go away, troll.