MudMan

That’s a terrible headline. The prosthesis isn’t “controlled by thoughts”, it’s controlled the same way as the older ones, tapping to the muscles in the arm. The novelty they’re talking about is the hand being wireless.

This is so cool by itself, why the need to fluff it up with misinformation? The interview (that this article is just rehashing) does the same thing, with the daytime TV hosts insisting on the “controlled by thoughts” line even as both of the interviewees keep trying to correct the statement with accurate information.

I swear I hear way more about Win10 EoL in Linux forums than anywhere else by orders of magnitude.

I have literally heard nothing about this anywhere else. An article is some tech news site every now and then, at best. I haven’t heard a single person I know outside the Internet bring it up once. Haven’t seen it in the news, haven’t seen it in the press, haven’t heard it from friends or sons of friends or parents of friends.

Nobody gives a crap. Nobody is going to give a crap. The updates will stop and nobody will notice. They will eventually buy a new PC, that will come with Win11 and they’ll go “hey, the taskbar is white now” and that will be the end of that.

I crave the moment they flip the switch because man, at least well get some respite from all the giddy anticipation. Although I do fully expect a million posts every time the Steam hardware survey moves by 0.1% or that some company gets hacked through some old, unpatched device. At least it’ll be a change of pace, you know?

I mean, it may be higher than I think, because the amount I think is pretty low.

But I don’t think it’s the default. I am not THAT detached from younger people. iPads and Chromebooks are very region-specific options.

If you have numbers to any of that feel free to share them, because this is very far from a binary thing. There are literal billions of Windows PCs out there and that split isn’t going to be 90/10 (which would still leave you with hundreds of millions in the small bit anyway).

Citation gonna be extremely needed there. I have no idea what the penetration of the MS store is these days, but I’d be surprised to find most people punch in “VLC” in their app store before doing it in Chrome. Never mind that growing up with Windows 7 puts you in your mid 20s, who in their right mind bought into the Windows 8-era iteration of UWP? If you had said Windows 10 I would have rolled with it, but… yeah, gonna need so much citation.

But in any case, as I said above, the MS Store app is not the same as the multiple Linux package managers. You’re not going to write VLC and find three different identical-looking results with only fine print revealing which is which type of installer (none of which you can tell apart if you come from Windows anyway).

It’s fine, but I think I either didn’t play deep enough to get to the hook or it didn’t grab me as much as it did other people, because it does feel a bit overhyped to me.

I think in this vein I’d recommend Return of the Obra Dinn before I do Blue Prince. Not that I think Blue Prince is a bad game in any way, just a bit… soft around the edges, I guess?

Yeeeeah, I don’t know abou that. Typically the copy only lists the pieces not included in the base game. Here for Expedition 33:

The Deluxe Edition includes:

Clair Obscur: Expedition 33 Base Game The “Flowers” Collection - Six outfits and hairstyles inspired by the Flowers of Lumière, along with six additional “Gommage” outfit variations. One for each playable character. “Clair” - A custom outfit for Maelle “Obscur” - A custom outfit for Gustave

Or here for Khazan:

The First Berserker: Khazan DELUXE EDITION includes the following content:

1. The First Berserker: Khazan (main game)

2. Hero’s Weapon Set ・ Hero’s Dual Wield ・ Hero’s Spear ・ Hero’s Greatsword

3. Hero’s Armor Set ・ Hero’s Helm ・ Hero’s Wristguards ・ Hero’s Pauldrons ・ Hero’s Leggings ・ Hero’s Combat Boots

4. Digital Artbook

・ The digital artbook features concept art from The First Berserker: Khazan. It can be accessed from the in-game main menu screen.

• The Hero’s Weapon and Armor Sets are The First Berserker: Khazan DELUXE EDITION exclusive items and cannot be obtained through alternative means at a later date.

• The Hero’s Weapon and Armor Sets can be used cosmetically. These sets can also be upgraded and/or have their options adjusted, allowing for continued usage.

• Clear Mission 2 and open the reward barrel in the Crevice to obtain the Hero’s Weapon and Armor Sets.

• Updating to the latest version of the game may be required to access this content.

Listing vanilla content separately from the base game in the same list as the deluxe content without a clear distinction on what you’re paying for where seems very unorthodox. I was certainly confused. At the very least it’s bad copywriting, and at worst an attempt to get people to go for the more expensive version by misrepresenting its value.

Good to know, but that is EXTREMELY not how the Steam page reads:

The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion Remastered Deluxe Edition includes:

• Digital base game

• New quests for unique digital Akatosh and Mehrunes Dagon Armors, Weapons, and Horse Armor Sets

• Digital Artbook and Soundtrack App

• Shivering Isles and Knights of the Nine story expansions

• Additional downloadable content: Fighter’s Stronghold, Spell Tomes, Vile Lair, Mehrune’s Razor, The Thieves Den, Wizard’s Tower, The Orrery, and Horse Armor Pack

Both the text and the image seem deliberately engineered to equivocate about this, which IMO sucks a lot more than actually selling some horse cosmetics as a ha-ha joke thing.

Hey, no, no malice read into it and I’m all for having a conversation about the subject. But it’s also true that if we have to litigate the basic facts we’re talking about (specifically, that Windows 10 WILL in fact have purchaseable security upgrades for several more years) over multiple posts it’s just not a very productive conversation, you know? Ideally the chat starts from the actual information being shared in the link, or at the very least in the headline.

In any case, yes, businesses will need to keep getting security updates and they will get security updates for the foreseeable, be it by moving to Win11 where they can or by moving to the long term support tracks for Win10 where the hardware doesn’t support it or it’s cheaper.

The horse armor being the deluxe upgrade bonus is actually funny. I’m very much fine with it. It’s an intentional joke.

I’m less clear on the expansions being in the base game. Their messaging for the deluxe edition suggests they’d be part of it. Either way the messaging around it sucks and that’s less funny.

Not in the US.

The point of LTSC builds of Win10 is they will keep getting security updates, in some cases until the 2030s. That’s what the actual article we’re all supposed to be talking about is explaining.

So yes, there is a planned solution to keep a secure build of Win10 for businesses for at least a few more years. For that reason. That’s what this conversation is about. Normally I’d chastise people for not reading through to the body of the linked article, but this time it’s right in the headline. You literally could not have reached this post without reading it at least once.

I’m not a fan of the “most stuff just goes in the browser” argument, because then your OS is just Chrome and it doesn’t matter what you use underneath it. If anybody genuinely believed that people wouldn’t get so militant about the stuff you use to boostrap your PC and launch your real OS.

I also don’t agree that things are comparable just because MS keeps a vestigial proprietary app store (and a vestigial but quite competent CLI app manager, while we’re at it). Standalone installers are the default for Windows and there are very few times you’re forced to deviate from that, including for driver installations. That is a fundamental change, even before you get to the absolute mess that is the variety of repos, package formats and package managers across the Linux ecosystem. Even if you choose to use the Windows Store for some reason it has a single possible setup and more in common with a mobile store than with Linux package management.

Maybe it’s having recently switched to Fedora with GNOME and being frustrated by how patchy and unreliable their GUI software app is, but even after installing additional repos most of the stuff I want to use isn’t there and I’ve started defaulting to CLI because it’s just more reliable. It is by far the biggest hurdle I’d foresee for a newcomer, and if I had to recommend a distro/DE combo to a Windows user I’d focus on what package manager works best and most straightforwardly out of the box before anything else.

And yes, I did break something badly during that whole process and had to do some serious patching up at one point, so I do appreciate the empathy.

Honestly, dual booting is mostly fine now, I’m just annoyed by how awkward and inconvenient it still is to share a local hard drive across both systems and it feels weird to be cut off from physically mounted hard drives that are right there in your system just because there is no universally accepted OS-agnostic modern filesystem.

These days I have one computer with Windows and one with Linux. My solution ended up being sharing files over a local network and using GNOME so I can easily remote desktop from my Windows machine if I have to. It’s less annoying than the performative “run Windows in a virtual machine” thing people like to brag about and I wanted to keep a machine constantly running as a little home server anyway.

No, what? I’m saying all current desktop OSs (and mobile OSs, for that matter) will default to an app search interface when you press their respective Windows/Meta/whatever key or shortcut, so there being a “start” menu and a taskbar instead of a search bar and a dock ribbon makes no difference and is intuitive when going from Windows to Linux no matter what distro or DE you choose.

And that there being “like 3 other ways” to install applications is the issue. Windows users go to a place, click on a the “download” button, then click on the file they download and go. In Linux you could try to approximate that, but it’s the least convenient option. Instead you have an app manager that sort of looks like an app store from the other OSs, but sometimes not everything is in there and you have to manually add repositories and sometimes a thing IS there but it shows up like four times because there are multiple ways for apps to be packaged and it’s not obvious at a glance whether you’re downloading a containerized instance, a bundle of loose file dependencies or straight up code you’re about to autocompile. And when you ask online people will (correctly) tell you it’s actually easier to just use the command line package manager, except those are all distro-dependent and they all use subtly different syntax depending on what flavor of Linux you’re using.

So yeah, that’s a bigger difference and barrier to entry than “the start menu”.

The file structure you should need less often if you’re not a power user, since the user home directories are pretty much the same across the board. But hey, still, it’s very different on Windows compared to other systems, what with devices and volumes being automounted at the root level with a consistent drive name as opposed to a /mnt location and most of the pieces and dependencies of an app being kept in a consolidated folder. So yeah, it’s still a bit of a moment when you eventually have to edit a config file or manually navigate to a removable drive or something and it’s not immediately obvious where that would have gone by default.

That, and to this day it still trips me up that Linux GUI file managers mount network locations and Samba shares in arbitrary real paths you can’t easily navigate to in CLI but mounting them in CLI makes them appear in the file manager in a way that is visually indisinguishable, despite being mounted in a completely different place. That is not awkward because it’s different from Windows, that’s just weird and bad in absolute terms and I don’t get why it’s that way at all.

Famous last words before getting a keylogger that leads to all your bank accounts being drained due to lack of security patches.

Well, yeah. What kind of security do you think normies are running? They won’t even get hijacked by an unpatched Windows 10 exploit, they’ll just try to download The Last of Us by opening “WatchOnlineMoviesFree.exe” when a pop up tells them to.

Business operations will go with whatever is cheapest to maintain, which is the entire point of LTSC and the article in the link.

I mean… you go, grandpa.

But hey, that is a fair point. A lot of people talk about moving to Win11 like it’s something normies will want to avoid like the plague, as if all the things they point at as dealbreaking enshittification haven’t been rolling back to Win10 pretty much in real time. Hardware incompatibilities aside (and those are probably overstated, too) the leap will probably be very smooth unless the person in question is simultaneously extremely activist about hating modern Windows and extremely reluctant to use anything else.

People keep treating Win10 EoL as if the software is going to catch on fire. Every time they phase out a Windows version people just happily keep it installed indefinitely until they just naturally buy a new PC, at least.

I predict the big replacement for supported Windows 10 will be unsupported Windows 10. I expect that’s a pretty safe bet.

People fixate on those things. I don’t think those are the key things.

If I had to define what makes something Windows-like I’d point at the software and drivers being self-contained, self-installable executables and the old DOS-style disk handling and directory structure.

I mean, I don’t think that’s necessarily a great thing, but it’s been a long time since Windows took the “press key, type what you want to run, press enter” thing from… I’m gonna say MacOS. That start menu, taskbar and icon tray thing was a differentiator with Windows 95, but probably not since Windows 8.

They do.

Probably should give it a clearer visual cue now that they do blue ticks, but it’s there.

I mean, people thought the pandemic we had going for years and the vaccines that controlled it were hoaxes. That the moon landings never happened and that Earth is flat. You are assuming the bar to close that window is way higher than it actually is.

FWIW, sensible people would be more than capable of identifying that situation correctly. Mostly because one has to assume that an alien visit would be more diplomatic engagement and less playing peek-a-boo with an interstellar vehicle for no discernible reason.

Right.

I have to assume you’re outright trolling at this point, so we’re gonna leave it there.

Man, I REALLY hope you’re outright trolling. Mostly for your sake.