To be fair it’s much better than unexploded bombs and mines.

Let’s not kid ourselves the user experience is much much nicer on tiktok than on Mastadon.

not including the one picture of the protocoll/network topology

This is a solid one from their wiki

Yeah I think we’ve been having on off discussions about ATProto’s place in the Fediverse here for probably 2ish years in multiple threads.

Looks like today the crowd has finally more sternly come to a decision lol. I think there were threads last year here around this ATProto with a lot better nuance and discussion, but Bluesky has been getting a lot of hate and misinformation thrown at it from this pocket of the internet lately, which is somewhat disappointing since they both the pocket should operate symbiotically.

Possibly a sign of newer Lemmy users though which is good regardless.

This is just wrong. Another platform similar to tiktok(spark) is in beta with their own infrastructure outside of all Bluesky servers and they have to deal with their own moderation. They can choose to read in any Bluesky data they please and bluesky can do the same with theirs.

If Bluesky shuts down all servers tomorrow they still exist. The federation is simply adopting their Lexicon into your relay and appview.

If you want a microblogging platform specifically you can easily run your own infrastructure similar to running an instance, intake all BlueSky posts and if Bluesky shuts down your app will continue operating using BlueSkys lexicon, however you’ll have to manage your own moderation.

Not sure of the point here? If your end goal is decentralization yes run another relay similar to how you’d host a Mastodon instance.

Even if you create a whole new network with a whole new Lexicon, BlueSkys firehouse intakes all Lexicons

Would love to know why you think it’s not?

We’re just arguing semantics just to argue at this point.

I can say how the paragraph says the majority of Fediverse platforms operate on ActivityPub and how ATProto is not within that majority at the moment.

Or I can say yes Diaspora is the only one that matches the original definition, but what is the definition now?

But a much better conversation is why we’re trying to fracture our conversations around decentralized social media? The data is open and can be bridged. At that point are both protocols the Fediverse? Why are we digging ourselves into a whole here on the Activitypub side and refusing to discuss how we can further the Fediverse and decentralization?

I’m fully aware that might not be #1 goal at the end of the day, but we’re starting to see multiple social media networks start to exist with their own infrastructure on ATProto (https://sprk.so/ is in beta) and more importantly hosted outside the US.

These separate networks can interact with the BlueSky network if they choose so and the BlueSky network can interact with theirs if they use their Lexicon. There are other lightweight apps being built on top of BlueSkys Lexicon and relay system as well that are whole separate apps.

To say that’s not their goal is a little weird because it’s possible right now? Sure it might be difficult but they’ve merged quite a few changes to make the relay system much more accessible, and have put a lot of effort into the identity system recently.

ATProto is it’s own protocol / network of social media services that are communicating with each other?

Posted in another comment but wikipedia disagrees.

The Fediverse (commonly shortened to fedi)[4][5][6] is a collection of social networking services that can communicate with each other (formally known as federation) using a common protocol.

We can argue semantics all day but at the end of the day I’ll hold the same stance that we shouldn’t be fracturing the communities and instead discussing the content and idea of a decentralized communicating social media landscape.

The literal first line of Wikipedia agrees with me?

The Fediverse (commonly shortened to fedi)[4][5][6] is a collection of social networking services that can communicate with each other (formally known as federation) using a common protocol.

Instead of being a patronizing ass, how about let’s have some discussion about

The ultimate goal of this subreddit is a fully decentralized social media landscape.

And how ATProto is not accomplishing this / what they can be doing differently than what’s outlined in their blog post

Or a counter argument to

Fracturing discussion between ActivityPub and ATProto helps no one, especially in niche communities like this.

The idea of the Fediverse is simply a group of social networks communicating through the same protocol, is that not what ATProto is attempting to accomplish?

I’ve been a long time supporter that ATProto actually is apart of the Fediverse. The ultimate goal of this subreddit is a fully decentralized social media landscape. Fracturing discussion between ActivityPub and ATProto helps no one, especially in niche communities like this. The long-term goal is the same, and whether that progression happens on protocol A or platform B it’s progressive nonetheless and we should discuss it.

I know this convo was 2 weeks ago, but they published a great article that includes how Identify is handled that answers our questions.

https://atproto.com/articles/atproto-ethos

Effectively identify is as the PDS level. So if Bluesky goes down and your account were through Bluesky you’d lose your identity ?*

If your account is held through another platform like Spark or your own self hosted PDS your identity would remain live.

*My question that sparked from this is if Bluesky went down and you’re already logged into a second platform, when you log into that second platform does it duplicate your DID? I’m assuming not and you’d still lose it because logins are through OIDC and the keys still exist on Bluesky.

Regardless the true path to decentralization should be everyone hosting their own identity on their own PDS w/ identity but that might be a longshot. The path to decentralization is effectively allowed but will people take advantage of it?

I’ve been waiting for prices to go up on video games for about 7 years and am surprised they haven’t gone up more, this is pretty fair imo.

They’ve been ~$60 since 2002?

Holy shit the post-market drops for SPY and QQQ are insane. I haven’t seen a post/pre market move this sharp since Covid

China: 34%

Added note that this is cumulative so it’s 54% total. Confirmed by Press secretary earlier.

ChatGPT is a better programmer than you

Unfortunately very true 😭

OpenAI is so lagging behind in terms of image generation it is comical at this point.

They dropped a new image model last week using 4o to contextualize the request, it’s very very good. However it’s for paid subscribers only right now I believe.

However as you mentioned Stable diffusion and mid journey probably still have more customizability.