Fruitbat [she/her]
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4·1 month agoI hope one day you can get a chance to see them, somewhere without light pollution! It doesn’t help light pollution is growing in lots of places.
Hello! It’s nice going stargazing
Skyrocketed by how much? To also use that mit source,
In 2017, AI began to change everything. Data centers started getting built with energy-intensive hardware designed for AI, which led them to double their electricity consumption by 2023.The latest reports show that 4.4% of all the energy in the US now goes toward data centers.
They link to a report from last year, but based on that, that still rather small no? That just only in the U.S alone and not globally. I do agree the share by datacenters, and by extension LLMs, will use more electricity in the future, but like in the grand scheme of things, like it is still relatively small.
To add, I mainly quote Kaffe, because I mainly see lots of people elsewhere say how data centers are taking so much water, but then it fails to ignore things like Kaffe mentioned in that quote. Another thing I wanted to add, that I forgot to in my early reply, but why is it that LLM is getting the brunt of this, but wasteful water practices in farming don’t get mention like the growing of alfalfa in the southwest in the united states that leads to a lot of water waste as well?
as it stands, we are putting the global south underwater so that people who are surrounded by yes-men can have yes-robots too.
I’m not exactly sure how data centers, or rather LLM’s are doing that or being the sole contributor to that? Besides guessing that you mean the use of mines, along with introducing more mines, and the transportation needed to continue and make said data centers. Along with the green house emissions that result from said activities, and with generating electricity to power said data centers usually from dirty sources like in the united states. Yet like again, data centers shares in green house emissions, is little compared to more direct things like the u.s military being the largest polluter, or from other things like transportation contributing a large share of green house emissions.
I just feel like it just goes again back to the issues of capitalism that AI exists in that context of, like CriticalResist said, and AI not really unique in these regards to contributing to climate change?
I think it is helpful to put some things in perspective, like for electricity usage, data centers only take up 1-1.5% of global electricity usage. Like stated here https://www.iea.org/energy-system/buildings/data-centres-and-data-transmission-networks
What is the role of data centres and data transmission networks in clean energy transitions?
Rapid improvements in energy efficiency have helped limit energy demand growth from data centres and data transmission networks, which each account for about 1-1.5% of global electricity use. Nevertheless, strong government and industry efforts on energy efficiency, renewables procurement and RD&D will be essential to curb energy demand and emissions growth over the next decade.
To also cite form that article, there also this mention to.
Data centres and data transmission networks are responsible for 1% of energy-related GHG emissions
So even for overall GHG, data center’s general account very little. Of course with this technology being used more, electricity usage will rise a bit more but it still likely will be small in the grand scheme of things. Another question how much of that is specifically AI in regards to data centers in general? One cited figure is 10-20% of data centers is designated to AI usage. Like here https://time.com/6987773/ai-data-centers-energy-usage-climate-change/
Porter says that while 10-20% of data center energy in the U.S. is currently consumed by AI, that percentage will likely “increase significantly” going forward.
So, a lot of data centers are just being used for lots of other things like cloud stuff for example, but the share by AI is growing a bit more however.
Besides that, to go to the water usage, that is a problem, especially when data centers, in general, are built in areas that can’t really sustain such things. However this is just data centers in general, and this was happening before AI in the last two years. I think it is also worth mentioning to that like, google and the rest are able to buy water rights to which also completely fucks over First Nations to which don’t get a say in these things.
To quote Kaffe, who I think is also on here to??
Instead of weaponizing climate anxiety to attack AI merely to defend property law and labor aristocracy, let’s cut to specific issues like Meta’s and Google’s ability to purchase water in violation of treaties.
https://xcancel.com/probablykaffe/status/1905480887594361070#m
What do dengist have to do with anything in this context?
I don’t think it’s correct to say China has done nothing in regards to Palestine. For example, there was the 2024 Beijing Declaration last year. To quote form said linked article
Outside of that, from reading those threads above, one of the comments someone mentioned how Hamas used a weapon from China like this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HJ-8#Gaza_Strip
Another thing to is it’s more besides that, like the Zijiang M99
It’s really doubtful it’s the barret made M99. To add, from looking around there are two tweets, here and here showing the Zijang M99, and then there a news source talking about it’s use here To add that news source mentions this
Only issue is I’m having trouble finding where that announcement was said? Either way It is clear that they are using weapons from China at the very least.
Do note, I do think China should stop trade with “Israel” but I want to address this. Mainly to go to trade with what China sells from “Israel” where “Israel” buys from China primarily consists of
Compared to the United States that
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/5/22/which-countries-trade-the-most-with-israel-and-what-do-they-buy-and-sell
Either way it’s the United States that trades the most with “Israel” and props it up. Again, this isn’t to say China should continuing trade, it would be nice if they didn’t, but it would not change things too much even if China did stop trade. Since again, “Israel” is propped up by imperial core countries.
Either way it isn’t correct to say China has done none nothing. It would be nice if China did more, sure I can agree with that. However ultimately, the responsibility lies with the people in the global north to do something against their governments to stop contributing to/participating in genocide. Since to go to the United States for example, how many genocides has the United States been involved since it’s conception like against the various First Nations, to around the world like in Latin America? For the United States, genocide won’t end just with Palestine, there will be more in the future if those in the United States don’t decolonize and overthrow the U.S.
Also it is rather chauvinistic and idealistic to paint China as the world’s savior as well, since China will not be the world savior not, and won’t ever be. That just always been idealistic nonsense. To add, it is also chauvinistic to hold China responsible for the U.S-Israel genocide against Palestine. Why should China, and the world, mainly the global south at large, be held responsible for the horrible acts that the global north like the United States commits and not the global north and people within those countries held responsible for those acts instead?
Again that isn’t to say China couldn’t do more, they could, but the fault lies within the global north and for those within to do build and make revolution and to stop things like this.