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  • Bullshit. The pro-Nazi elements in the US were never anywhere close to being a majority and were never close to implementing pro-Nazi policies. At worst, the US government was guilty of remaining neutral and continuing to do business with Nazi Germany, but that’s a far cry from supporting the Nazis. This is pure revisionist tripe.

    It’s also worth mentioning that at that time the two largest ethnicities in the US were Irish and German immigrants or their immediate descendants. With the famine still in living memory and Irish independence still relatively recent, Irish-Americans were very leery of joining the war on the side of the UK, while German-Americans obviously weren’t necessarily keen on fighting the country from which they’d immigrated. These two constituencies were far too important to be ignored politically, and that’s a huge part of why it took the attack at Pearl Harbor for the US to do the right thing.


  • Honest question; what incentive would the IDF have to knowingly kill escaped Israeli hostages? To me it only makes sense as a case of being far too willing to shoot first and ask questions later. That’s a problem, especially in such a dense urban environment, but it still is “accidental friendly fire” and not deliberate premeditated murder as your comment suggests.

    The flipside is that we imagine that they knew the 3 Israeli hostages were trying to get back to friendly forces and decided to kill them anyway for… reasons, I guess? Nevermind that it’s hell on morale and obviously a PR disaster.

    I don’t know, I just can’t make this pencil out as anything other than a tragic fuckup born of terrible discipline. If it tells us anything, it’s that the IDF are obviously trigger happy and not being at all careful, but again, that’s very different from the narrative being pushed by most people in this thread.



  • TheSanSabaSongbird@lemdro.idtoMemes@lemmy.mlAll lives rule
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    1 year ago

    Sometimes but not always. There’s more to it in international law. That said, I realize that in arguing caution before leveling accusations of genocide, I am in the minority in this instance. My take is based on what I’ve read of expert legal opinion on the subject and not on my own evaluation of the IDF’s moral position.

    The long and short of it is that there are matters of intent that have to be shown in order to have a case for genocide. Thus far, regardless of how we think about the IDF vis war-crimes, I have yet to see a convincing argument for genocide on a legal basis.

    You may say that this is a distinction without a difference, and while I’m sympathetic to that idea, I still think it’s worthwhile to maintain these sharp legal definitions.




  • TheSanSabaSongbird@lemdro.idtoMemes@lemmy.mlAll lives rule
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    That’s begging the question in the traditional sense of the term in formal logic. First of all you have to establish that it is in fact a genocide. While what the IDF is doing probably counts as war crimes, I have yet to see a convincing case that it’s genocide in a legal sense. We’ll see. I’m more than willing to change my mind in light of new evidence or a stronger argument than I have seen thus far.