That parenthetical does a lot of lifting in there…

I’ll also add that, contrary to shop surveillance, parents have physical control of their kids devices to a large extent. And most OSes comes with features allowing parental controls. So yeah we have the tools for enforcing our accountability as parent on the internet.

I trust that parents are the first line of defence for those as well. Then education. Then store controls indeed but it doesn’t involve the mass surveillance implementation required for the web. And the risks are also absolutely not the same; physical check are not leading to increased risks of leakage. Or reuse for not necessarily compatible purposes. It’s also not systematic ; as soon as you vaguely looks out of your teens you’re never asked ID anymore for either…

Yeah and when your government is experiencing some troubles themselves the whole shit comes down. We’ve experienced a little downtime here for regional government and it lasted quite a while. Centralisation introduces its own weaknesses. Additionally, at some point, we could address this by just having parents accountable in this specific use case. Wtf do we need a technological solution to address parenting? This small subset thereof.

Yeah sure but then it’s not so much about « getting a proper education » anymore. Or the education system is failing us which is even worse because then what’s the way out? How can I / we steer this situation so that people suck less? Man I’m terrified my kids will end up like that.

Belgium here but I guess it’s fair enough.

I’m curious what would be the bar for proper education. Yesterday I was lectured by my fucking dentist (8years of college) on how poor people are all abusing the system and should lose all social protections. And he’s absolutely not an isolated case. Most of the engineers I manage are exhibiting similar thoughts about the jobless or immigrants. Again, at least 5 years of college. This shit is a poison. This is being relayed more and more by persons from 26 to 40 and I guess above all around. It feels like a national sport ; always shit on the one perceived below.

where the fuck do you source your porn from so that choking is so prevalent ?! When looking for this sort of content it’s super hard to find some…

And what I shared was based on my personal involvement on the topic. As I said somewhere in the thread my expertise is limited to one country in Europe so the legal framework is vastly different but the more human and technological considerations are likely very transferable. And indeed there are criteria for warrants but that would be subject to interpretation at all steps plus not everything goes via warrants. Judge being lenient isn’t also accounting for their own metrics and perspectives. And additionally a whole lot of my personal issues would be related to how data, even when acquired both legitimately and with some regard for ethics, is handled. And that needs to be addressed by police forces and their providers.

But then you need to trust another party which is just moving the problem along…

Ah no I was assuming we need privacy for everyone… but this would work as well. When working in responsible disclosure this is very much a problem. You want those channels open as wide as possible and as easy as possible.

And to a large extent I suspect boomers were a bit more into systems and protocols than the new gens.

But keep on…

You should consider reviewing your baseline to integrate actual persons. Some need help to use WhatsApp so go figure how they would fare with most of those.

Users don’t need to configure email that’s kind of the point… and the receiving side of most of your techs still had to eventually setup the server side right? Adminforge is Linux tutorials, hardly something for the basic user. And disroot has not the best reputation if I can trust the few top links in my search results due to its gtc where they mentioned that they would collaborate in criminal investigations as well.

That’s definitively not how they work in Europe and even though I’m not expert in other regions I assume that it’s absolutely not the case in USA either. Technologically there’s no solutions fully preserving everyone’s privacy hence the importance of the local culture. But if the current practices improve with the likes of the controls I mentioned I would say that it would be good enough.

Damn. They didn’t seem so wild especially compared to the flow of yours. All mediums / techs you listed are complex technologies that take efforts to setup. Compared to the ubiquitousness of email. How do you propose to make that as available to the baseline human being?

Aren’t most of those requiring dedicated setup? How does that work without a pre-existing communication channel such as email to prep for them? You walk to every party you need to integrate?

At the very least have controls in place ensuring disposal of data when court cases are fully processed to the full extent of appeals possibilities. Not allowing broad requests such as « everyone that connected to a given antenna for a month » or even « all connections toward NET or ASN whatever ». Additionally have the data fully isolated, removing all possibilities to cross use data initially granted for a purpose. I could go on for a while… It’s all a balance though, sometimes reuse leads to solving unrelated cases but it’s bound to the imperfections of local authorities everywhere one’s data can be requested.

I’d be curious to see where that links to create a new account takes you to… probably toward htt//youdumbfuck.lol

Maybe with symmetric fiber and if the electricity prices lower I’ll go back to that. Before the advent of convenient and cheap providers we had ou webservers, irc servers and some game servers at home… but the cost of that and the additional maintenance nightmare makes that less desirable than having OVH doing it all for me…

Shitty managers are already breathing down your neck though, they didn’t exactly wait for this piece to be major annoyances….