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That’s particularly ridiculous.

No, its something we learn in first responder training

Babies can drown in 2 inches of water, or people who are completely dependent on others for activities of daily living.

Or anybody who is unable to escape. Somebody who is unconscious, somebody who is trapped,

Suggesting the average person would drown in waist deep water is disingenuous

What’s disingenuous is seeing me say

“Push somebody in the canal, they fall awkwardly and could easily die. Get trapped by a submerged branch, hit your head, get trapped by silt, break a leg etc.”

And then completely ignoring it for a straw man.

Think of everyone you know; would any of them drown if you pushed them in 3 feet of water?|

If they fell awkwardly and hit their head? Easily

A person can drown in 2 inches of water, more or less.

Push somebody in the canal, they fall awkwardly and could easily die. Get trapped by a submerged branch, hit your head, get trapped by silt, break a leg etc.

UH huh

The largest flying animal to ever live, as far as we know, was the Quetzalcoatlus, which is estimated to have a mass up to over 400 pounds. Thats more mass than 99% of all humans, flatly disproving your claim.

If you assume that we can change density then its possible sure.

Just because theres no living bird with that mass doesn’t in any way mean its biologically impossible.

If you just reshaped a person into a bird shape, its biomechanically impossible for them to fly.

Why would you assume it would have the same density as a human?

Because otherwise you arent turning a person into a bird, you are just making a bird (or other flying mammal) with the same approximate mass as a human.

This is an arbitrary restriction you’re adding to the scenario.

Seems implied to me

Conservation of mass doesn’t require conservation of volume.

So the original post would just be “a flying bird with the same mass as a human would be a huge bird”

Which…sure

Biggest by mass, but a bird with the mass of a human cant fly (biomechanically impossible), so there needs to be magic fuckery involved.

Meaning that a shapeshifter that turns in a flying bird with the same mass as a human would likely not be as large as you think. Humans are very dense compared to birds. Assuming we keep that density, we could be smaller than some of the larger eagles or carrion birds.

I’m sure it’s easier said than done, but can’t she just go to a different doctor?

Hypothetically sure. But she is on Medicaid. Getting a new primary care doctor takes a lot of effort.

All of her specialists are in the same network, and all the notes follow her around in her network. The doctor noted that she is “suicidal,” and now nobody in the network will let her get on hospice.

So in order to find a new doctor, she would effectively need to find a new network, get all new specialists, restart all the tests, go back through Medicaid to get a new doctor on her insurance.

Its not actively impossible, but its very difficult, especially for an 85 year old with Parkinson’s. And changing doctors while you have Parkinson’s somewhat managed is a bad idea, its lots of experimenting to find a treatment plan that works, and you have to basically start all that over while you loose a lot of ground.

Its way easier for her to just tell everybody to remember to not call an ambulance for her, she already asked me to help her die when she feels like her mind is too far gone, but since it would be “murder” for me to be in the same room as her while she takes the wrong pills, there isnt a lot I can do.

People get second opinions all the time

Much less common than you think,

Yea, but it has more to do with baby boomers wrecking everything than anything else.

That is how hospice works. they won’t euthanasia they will just let you die and do theoretical pain management.

Depends on the doctor. If you get a good one, they will give you a lot of painkillers that will shorten your life significantly.

My mom died of dehydration in hospice because it was “unethical” to just give her a shot of barbituates when half her brain was no longer functioning after a stroke.

Unfortunately, end of life care is very poorly regulated (to protect people).

True.

But Hospice is generally required to get to assisted suicide tho.

Or at least, it was when my dad finally got to die.

The normal doctor wouldn’t do it, the hospital didnt allow it except for in hospice.

And then we had to fight for a week to get the hospice doctor to let him die.

Check your state law. In some states it is very illegal to ignore a properly filled out DNR, religion or no religion.

It is 100% legal to refuse medical care because of being Christian. This has been litigated to death.

Its illegal to punish somebody for refusing to provide medical care if they claim that doing so would be against their (christian) religion. This has also been litigated to death.

Also, hospice is not state assisted suicide.

No, but Hospice does include not preventing death if the patient doesnt want to go on a bunch of stuff

Hospice is comfort care, and it’s not about causing someone to die, it’s about helping someone who is terminal be more comfortable during the time they have left.

And usually letting them die when they want to.

Its how my dad finally died, He got hospice and the doctor gave him a massive overdose of Morphine (after multiple days of asking the doctor to let him die).

So you grandma is catholic.

No, her doctor is, my grandma is Atheist

Let’s be clear here.

Its pretty fucking clear

And yes, killing someone is very problematic. I admit I don’t have the answer.

I do, let people die when they want to.

Let’s not act like this is that simple.

It really is

My grandmas doctor just straight up said that killing yourself is a sin and its against his religion to help her commit a sin when she asked to go on hospice.

Not just allowed, actively pushed to do so.

The doctor she goes to did it, just decided that it was against his religion for her to decide to go on hospice care.

Even if he would allow it, in order for her to get on hospice, her doctor would have to go in front of an ethics committee and argue for her to be allowed to go on hospice. If anyone on the ethics committee objects, she isn’t allowed.

California has a right-to-die law (one of very few states that does). You are allowed to die if your doctor can prove that your disease will kill you in 6 months, that you are coherent (at the time of death, you cant sign anything beforehand for it), if you are capable of taking the suicide pills without assistance.

The doctor has to document that you made two separate distinct verbal requests, 48 hours apart. Has to document that your disease will kill you in 6 months, has to document that you are able to take the pills on your own with no assistance (too weak to die? too bad). The case is automatically reviewed (and they will try to take away the doctors license every time).

And anyone involved is allowed to stop you if they object on any grounds.

Killing yourself is a sin in most versions of Christianity, so its effectively illegal in most of the country, and any doctor that is willing to let you has to really really work to not get their license taken and them thrown in jail.

Unfortunately, a lot of people arent.

Due largely to religious bullshit (at least in america), its very very difficult to get death with dignity. My grandma has parkinsons, she wants to go on hospice before it takes her brain, but her doctor is Catholic and decided its against his religion to let her die as she wants to.

Shes trying to find a doctor who will let her, but its very very difficult. Its still considered murder in most of the country, and even most Hospice doctors wont do anything besides not resuscitate. We have to be careful to not call an ambulance for her, because if she goes to a hospital, the doctor is allowed to just ignore her DNR if thats against their religion.