If you look at the entire span of all cultures and all history, I think there’s tons of random examples of essentially one form or another of religious or ideological thinking that caused massive atrocities. Genghis Khan comes to mind as someone responsible for millions of deaths through, as the author of your first link puts it, a kind of “mouth with a bottomless pit” mentality of devouring everything. Hitler is distinguished in part by the mechanization of his efforts, but that is true of every imperialist genocide of the 20th and 21st centuries. The people he killed in open genocide don’t even scratch a tenth of the total killed by both sides in that same war - which really begs the question, what is the distinction between war and genocide? Combatants vs. non-combatants? If someone is talked into fighting, does their life suddenly stop having any value? Is it less a crime in ethical terms, not legal terms, to kill an average soldier? It gets justified by saying the other side of a conflict had some devastatingly evil ideology, but is killing someone actually the best way to deal with them having evil ideas? I’m more inclined to take the stance uh, I think Steinbeck said, “All war is a symptom of man’s failure as a thinking animal.” The deepest evil is the people leading us to slaughter each other, not the people we’re slaughtering.

Bro… Not historical Nazis? You mean the ones that committed the most despicable evils in all of humanity’s written history?

Just reading that a few times and I think, how exactly do you determine that? The number of deaths? Because the genocide of indigenous people in the “Americas” exceeds it several times over. You think about the “Congo Free State”, it had deaths on the same order of magnitude and a system of total enslavement and mass mutilations/executions based on failing to meet work quotas. Not to trivialize one, but to make sure others aren’t ignored. When it comes to the genocide conversation, it seems like European imperialism in Africa just gets completely left out.

Both.

There’s no such thing as any cleanly delineated race or ethnicity, save for maybe some people who’ve been isolated on an island for a thousand years. But it is a natural response to the weaponized term “antisemitism” being used against defenders of Palestinians, to point out that both groups are described as “semitic”.

Had that same conversation with a coworker many years back. He pitched the “time is money” theory. Really, I’m salaried, this is off-hours work, I actually find it interesting and enjoyable, and save a fortune doing it, so that theory doesn’t apply very well.

That’s the part where it gets really interesting. The right mindset when approaching those tasks means doing the research to do the job professionally, yourself. You meet that threshold, and actually start going through and reworking what was already done - you start to notice all the little shortcuts and weird decisions and bodge jobs that the professionals in the past did. And now, armed with the knowledge and basic tools to do the job - you’re not talking about $200 to pay a plumber to come out and fix one leaky elbow on your pipes - you know how to isolate it, drain it, cut it, deburr it, flux it, solder it, and clean it up, for like $3.00 in parts (and for what I said specifically, a minimum of maybe $50 in tools - cutter, blowtorch/propane, deburring tool, flux brush, emery cloth). For example. And for what could be a $5000 job, you can do it yourself for maybe $1000 in materials.

There are actual methods that the professionals have developed to be certain they did the job correctly - you just have to learn them.

It’s all doable with some basic tools and a little bit of willingness to endure suffering, that’s my point. And for the more specialized ones, wading through documentation and codes enough to do a job correctly (can’t emphasize that enough). Framing, roofing, plumbing, electric, siding, insulation. Can save a fortune and know exactly how well the job was done.

Try fixing something major, with dramatic improvements to your quality of life.

Your statement is a logical contradiction. The Iron Dome does not activate when the projected path of the rocket does not appear to target civilians

It does, actually, it performs a triage when it can’t handle a large number of simultaneous projectiles, and of COURSE it’s designed to intercept missiles sent to military targets. What a bizarre claim. You are flat out making things up to support your argument, for god knows what reason.

Y’all were doing so well being sympathetic

I’m not Palestinian. I’m an impartial observer of what’s happening, just one who cares more than most of you, enough to sort through disinformation…

subject of your vote for Trump

Just flat out lying now. I’m done here.

Yes, thank you. I can understand deleting like, flat-eartherism or something, but when your worldview is something you’ve really lazily assembled, and you disagree with somebody but don’t really have anything to disprove it, you belong nowhere near that delete button. I’m seriously disappointed to see this reddit mod behavior on Lemmy.

It is in fact not invalid. Hamas’s rockets have been untargeted with next to zero actual civilian casualties, the purpose is to financially exhaust the “Iron Dome” system. And it’s completely dishonest to frame it as “starting” a war, when the Occupied Palestinian territories, including Gaza, are under “Israeli” occupation per the definitions under international law (don’t give me that “they took out their settlements in 2005” crap either).

The point of the original comparison was to draw attention to how you’re equating the militant groups involved with Oct. 7 (Hamas, PIJ) with the ENTIRE Palestinian people, which includes not only people under Hamas rule, in the West Bank, and in the international Palestinian diaspora. Was that not clear? The genocidal demonization of an ETHNIC GROUP based on cherry-picked incidents was the problematic thinking I was drawing attention to. The analogy does also apply in general to militant uprisings by an oppressed people against their oppressors, with the caveats that I already mentioned.

You tried to rationalize Gaza as a ghetto being invaded by the SS and that’s why they had to attack civilians and take civilian hostages on Oct 7th.

I very literally not did say that, and made a point to say attacking civilians is illegal under international law. I REALLY dislike people inferring things from my comments that are not there.

For obvious reasons, I don’t have transcripts of secret diplomatic meetings.

OK, so in other words, no proof except the say-so of the involved parties. Which demonstrably was not enough to stop Rafah from being flattened.

Yes, because the civilians had more time to leave because of US pressure.

Also known as “ethnic cleansing”. You’re aware the civilians did not want to leave?

The ICJ ordered Israel to take measures that ensure there won’t be a genocide.

And they didn’t. They didn’t even hand in the mandated report after… 1 month? That was a year ago now.

It’s a brutal war in in a dense urban environment against a deeply entrenched enemy hiding behind civilians.

We really arguing the Zionist talking points now? This how far this site has sunk?

“Human shields” argument also completely unsubstantiated, and visibly used as an excuse to demolish all civilian infrastructure. ~40k Hamas fighters, Hamas not even removed from power, after 1.5 years where hundreds of thousands of civilians have been killed and the entire Gaza Strip has been completely flattened. And hundreds of openly genocidal statements from “Israeli” politicians, no less! My god, to actually fucking ignore those.

I’m not responding to this guy again. Assuming he’s gonna keep going. What he’s posting is literal genocidal incitement.

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US diplomatic pressure delayed the Rafah offensive by several weeks. And there were many other things as well.

First - provide any real proof of this.

Second - Rafah is completely destroyed. Biden administration described it as a “red line” along with the weasel words “major operation”, and then walked it back after it was completely destroyed, saying the “red line” had not been crossed, despite Rafah having been completely destroyed. With the bombs they provided.

The U.S. is a military superpower. “Israel” is not. Actual diplomatic pressure applied would have ended the genocide - period. Your comment just screams to me how little research you’ve done on the genocide.

It’s the international consensus that Palestine is under military occupation from “Israel”. Military action against occupation is an enshrined right under international law. The exception of course is attacks against civilians - which are not considered legal, hence the ICC arrest warrants being for both Netanyahu/Gallant, and Hamas leaders - but also which didn’t solely characterize the actions on Oct. 7. That is the actual, nuance, objective description of Oct. 7. No analogy is perfect. The Jewish militants in the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising were likely signficantly more targeted against Nazi soldiers and paramilitaries, but at the same time, they also hadn’t been stuck in the Warsaw Ghetto for a staggering 56 years, under a choking blockade since 2006.

Rewrite your comment except make it about “the Jews” re: the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising. How does it sound when you frame it that way?

Here he goes.

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