You don’t know shit about what I know and don’t know.
I’ve read up enough on the Irgun, Palmach, Haganah, Herzl, Jabotinsky, and Ben-Gurion (among others) to know what I need to, thank you very much.
Not to mention that all the shit that was stolen from my family by Zionists.
It’s not really that complicated.
The “over 2000 years ago” or whatever previous maybe exigent state of Israel has nothing to do with the current one, other than as a religious fig leaf and excuse for Zionism. To quote Ilan Pape: “Most Zionists don’t believe that God exists but they do believe that he promised them Palestine”
You’re the one that brought up WW2 as a time period in the first place. Only to discard the evidence I presented of yes, in fact Zionists (who ended up forming Israel, and Zionism continues to be the basis of Israeli society and politics) were already committing what would/could/should be considered terrorist attacks against Palestinians.
As long as Zionism/Zionists have existed in Palestine, they have existed to displace or kill all Palestinians.
I draw the line at the most logical place: Zionism’s creation/popularization. It is the root cause of all this.
Not important to current events? Explain to me how groups that were merged together to form the IDF, and were fighting to create Israel is unimportant to Israel and its current actions and existence.
From the very beginning of Zionist migration to Palestine (the historic region, whether it was under Ottoman rule or British rule), it was colonial, and intended to remove the people currently living there. You can read it from Theodore Herzl, and Ze’ev Jabotinsky. Some of the first and very prominent Zionists. David Ben-Gurion,the first prime minister of Israel himself, in a letter to his son basically said the partition plan was just the first step to taking the entire land.
Without that ideology and attitude, we wouldn’t be where we are now.
I have. Enough to know that Zionism, and Zionist militias pre-date Israel, were folded together to create the IDF, and were doing fucked up shit then, and continue to do so now. Maybe you should study some history yourself.
Apparently he went on his first date with his now wife to the grave of Baruch Goldstein, a mass murderer and terrorist. He also had/has a picture/portrait of Goldstein in his living room.
It was “only” displacement, colonization, and (smaller) ethnic cleansing at that time
Edit: here’s a list of bombings by the Irgun, a Zionist militia and terrorist organization (who were eventually folded into the IDF) during (and after) WW2 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Irgun_attacks
Hopefully you mean several decades, or even 100+ years. Nothing they’ve been doing now is particularly new to them. Maybe just a larger, louder magnitude.
I’m sure it’s both, considering https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_the_al-Jalaa_building (no one died, but destroyed major journalist offices) and history didn’t start on October 7th. That, and the sheer numbers from 2023.
No. At one point it was owned (partially? majority? don’t recall) by Jay-Z, who sold most of his stake later on to a different company that has its own problems, but as far as I know isn’t nearly as bad as Daniel Ek and all the AI generated music and “fake” artists issues plaguing Spotify.
Except Zionism was started by secular Jews and Zionists today are mostly Evangelical Christians. Israel and its creation has always been colonial and not religious. Religion is mostly a fig leaf/cover for it.
To paraphrase from Ilan Pappe, “Most Zionists don’t believe in God, but they believe God promised them Israel”
If only it were about religion (hint: it’s never been about religion)
Hamas is an idea. Even if every single Hamas fighter were magically killed instantly, Hamas 2 would pop up because of what Israel has done and continues to do. Hamas itself doesn’t really matter.
Also lumping together Iraqi jihadis (as you call them) with Palestinians and their liberation resistance movement is kinda racist. They’re not the same.
For the record I do not advocate for Hamas, nor do I support their actions but their existence is inevitable.
The real question you should be asking is why is there a fascist ethnostate in the first place? And why is it propped up by Western countries?
You’re clearly blind, not because you can’t see the atrocities being committed but because you either don’t want to or don’t care to.
I’m done trying to convince you of anything.
Genocide isn’t about the number of deaths. It’s about the intent.
If you listen to what Israelis and Israeli leaders are saying, and the pattern of actions, it fits the definition of genocide.
In previous cases of genocide, explicit statements of intent wasn’t required to call it as such (and we have them this time), as the actions and patterns of behaviour were enough to ascribe intent.
In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
1 Killing members of the group;
2 Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
3 Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
4 Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
5 Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
Only one of the list needs to be fulfilled in order to be considered genocide. 1, 2, and 3 have been demonstrated. With intent.
Even if we put genocide aside, you cannot deny the ethnic cleansing aspect.
Imagine a bunch of foreigners coming in, and deciding that the majority of your farmable land should belong to them.
Oh wait, I don’t have to. That’s how Israel was created.
I’d prefer pre-1947 borders but pre-1967 is better than nothing.
Hamas has made an offer of surrendering completely, returning the prisoners of war (as well as any hostages) and leaving forever in exchange for a Palestinian state. Israel has repeatedly rejected that deal. I wonder why?
How are the refugees supposed to make it across the occupied Philadelphi corridor when the IDF is known to shoot on sight, and recklessly?
The Philadelphi corridor, which is the border separating Egypt and Gaza is currently controlled by and occupied by Israel, as they refused to withdraw from it as stipulated in the previous ceasefire agreement that they largely ignored.
Israel controls it? In case you weren’t aware
I never claimed to know what you know.
I just hoped that if you did know more, you’d be horrified by a lot more than just “the last several years”. That’s all I meant with my first comment. And since you claim to know so much, I’m disappointed that you’re not.
If I’m so wrong in my knowledge, then please, go ahead and correct me. I’m open to being wrong and corrected, but you’ve pointed out nothing where I am in fact wrong.
Because in my understanding, it is factual that Zionist militias were operating in the 1920s (100+ years ago!), 1930s (most of the action was after the Arab Revolt in 1936), and 1940s until the state of Israel was formed, after which they were dissolved and mixed into the IDF. I haven’t made claims beyond that in this thread.