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Is this AI?

Art is a form of communication, transmitting something from one mind to another using indirect means because telepathy isn’t available. AI is not trying to communicate anything.

That’s like saying photography isn’t art because a camera isn’t trying to communicate something. Like AI it’s a tool uses by people to convey that idea.

Like when I use AI generation, I have an idea or specific image in my head and I do my best to come up with a prompt that will produce what I want, or more usually, I use photoshop, so piece piece several pieces together and edit it a bit so the match is more accurate. At a fundamental level, if you consciously try to clear your mind of any existing biases regarding AI, then it’s not really any different to photography or photoshop as an artform.

AI images hit the uncanny valley for artists because they are attuned to the difference between what an art is supposed to look like vs what the imitator approximates.

That is a somewhat valid point, but there are AI models for specific tasks, say generating human faces, that co trolled experiments have found that people can’t distinguish between the AI content and the real thing. There is also plenty of traditional art that hits the uncanny valley or simply doesn’t look right, but that doesn’t make it any less art, does it?

Because he is ‘fluent’ in art, people take his words on art seriously, just as one would generally take a born-and-raised German’s words seriously regarding German grammar.

Good analogy, but there’s still a barrier between the type of art miyazaki is fluent in and AI art. Like imagine a British person saying your English is wrong because you’re using American English or AAVE. Would you take them as an expert because and denounce those variations because they are not British English? Or would you consider their ignorance of the other side limiting to their expertise?

And also, I feel I should add, Miyazaki is famously not a fan of digital art. Should we take him as an expert on art and view digital art as less than traditional art? Or should we just roll our eyes at the stubborn old man stuck in his ways?

Except how AI works is pretty crucial to the entire anti-AI argument.

The amount of people that claim AI just collages together pieces of existing “stolen” art and use that as an argument against AI is ridiculous.

And your CPU example isn’t great since you would be comparing CPUs to other CPUs, it would be more apt to talk about someone who doesn’t know how a computer works to demonise computers in general and advocate doing maths by hand instead.

Yeah maybe, but I would be willing to bet a lot of money Miyazaki couldn’t tell you how stable diffusion worked if his life depended on it.

More stable certainly, but more like a different flavour of fascist/authoritarian

Yeah and JK Rowling created one the biggest and most popular series of all time.

That doesn’t mean her opinions deserve any sort of special consideration.

Well for one, they didnt come out with a Ghibli filter, they just removed restrictions on imitating art styles and using ghibli style just became a trend.

And honestly who cares what Miyazaki thinks? He’s famously stuck in the past, stubborn and kind of elitist.

Okay, since you’re not even keeping up the pretence of pretending to argue in good faith anymore, I’ll end this here.

Good luck in the future, I hope calling people fascists on the internet fixes all of your problem :)

You threw insults first.

Lmao? Really? You’re trying to pull that? Look at the Original post again. Or even in terms of comments our first interaction is you calling me a fascist. But go on king, pretend you’re better.

If you care about anything human

I do, Im actually pretty critical of AI, both the flood of AI slop on social media and the more pressing issues with the ethics of AI, hell I even did my 2 year term on the ethics board at my company. If you want to have an actual conversation with me about the ethics of AI instead of calling me a fascist, you would find we probably agree on quite a lot, not everything certainly, but a lot.

This whole argument is because I dont think being smug, condescending and insulting to people that use generative AI is going to do anything to make AI go away. And because Im not rabidly anti-AI you’ve shoehorned me into your black and white view of the issue and come to the conclusion that im 100% extremely pro-AI.

why fascists, Nazis, billionaires, and capitalists are pushing GAI HARD.

All of those people also push social media very hard. But its also a tool that lets leftist organise, allows communities to form and people to form friendships, and has enabled marginalised people to come together and make their lives better. Just because bad people support something and there are issues with it, does not mean its inherently bad, just like GenAI. I know disabled people that literally weeped with joy when I introduced them to generative AI because they could now turn ideas in their head into reality in ways they physically could not do before. I have a friend who is an aspiring game dev, thats been able to use AI generation to help him make assets for his game, where before he would have to devote years of his life to learning a new skill to make art of a similar level or spend money he simply doesnt have to have another artist do it for him. when I hang around with my nephew I can take a photo of him and make it into Marvel or Harry Potter style and see the utter joy that it brings him.

If you want to keep seeing this as a purely black and white issue, where you are the good guy and anyone who disagrees with you is a literal Nazi, then obviously nothing I can say will change your mind. But if you do legitimately see yourself as a rational and intelligent person, you will see that generative AI is not inherently bad, and that comics like the OP and the general trend of just insulting and belittling people that use AI, only serves to obfuscate the actual arguments and make people view the anti-AI crowd as a bunch of elitist luddites.

Why is it a dick move?

It’s so fucking predictable at this point.

You whine about how I argue, so I give you a solid argument, explaining to you the basics of AI imagine generation, how that relates to your argument and why it it means what you said is factually not true.

Then you just completely fucking ignore it, and look through my replies to find me saying bad words to someone and act like that proves me wrong somehow.

Because your only other option is to concede you don’t know how AI works and that my point is actually correct. But since that would get in the way of the “AI bad” circlejerk you physically can’t even comprehend the idea.

when you have to harass people & call them insufferable cunts for disagreeing with the ethics

And then you even have to lie to make it sound worse. I’m not harassing someone for disagreeing with me about the ethics of AI. Hell I would LOVE to have an actual conversation about AI ethics instead of having people call me a literal Nazi for using generative AI, I insulted a guy because he insulted me.

Obviously you’re definitely not morally grandstanding in the slightest.

Litterally I’m not. You guys are the one taking the moral high horse argument here, me refuting it and pointing out your blatant hypocrisy is not grandstanding. All you are doing here is the “I know you are, but what am I?” Arguing that you have been accusing me of.

Now, if you would kindly either come up with some sort of coherent counter argument to the points I made before, admit you don’t know wtf you’re talking about, or at very least shut the fuck up, that would be great.

It’s actually painfully to see your attempt at wit, so I’m gonna end this here.

???

Honestly questioning if you’re even literate at this point. Or if you’ve just got high off your own smugness.

So they’re profiting off of the works of others

Not directly no.

What would you call that if not theft?

Idk, life. Like I’m a big fan of scifi books. If I wrote one myself, do I need to get permission, financially compensate and credit every author who’s book I read they had inspired me? If I use online resources to learn to draw do I need to ask their permission every time I doodle? Is parody theft? Is modding theft?

I’m not sure how you think machine learning works

Well since I have a masters in AI and robotics, and I’m a principle developer at a company that uses computer vision for medical applications, I would say I have at least a basic grasp of the concept.

but I can tell you there is no actual “learning” involved.

That’s a very philosophical debate, lol

What it produces is a direct result of the data (stolen work) it’s trained on.

Factually not true. The algorithm that actually produces the art has no knowledge whatsoever of the original training data. All it knows how to do is denoise an image. It’s only the second algorithm that has any connection to the training data, and even then it doesn’t store any data on it directly. And the only connection between the 2 is the second algorithm telling the first how closely the denoised image matches the prompts. (More advanced programs will do more advanced things obviously, but that’s the general concept of stable diffusion.)

If you genuinely think a machine is capable of producing original art you’re attributing human traits to AI

Again, a very philosophical argument. And I think you’re making that argument as an appeal to emotion rather than actually trying rebuke what I’m saying.

Meanwhile two comments ago…

Me pointing out the flaws in other people’s arguments is not the same as me myself going on a moral crusade.

If I was wrong on any topic I’d love to be enlightened as to why but your arguments so far have boiled down to insults, strawmans and “no, you’re actually doing the thing that you called me out for doing!”

Well it’s hard to give you a good argument, when you don’t make any actual arguments to begin with when you’re just making strawman arguments and arguing semantics.

I would be heavily considering if the opposing party has a point instead of doubling down on the third grade argument tactics.

Would it be rude to point out the continuing hypocrisy?

Okay, to be serious a minute, take your hand of the keyboard, look away from the screen for a second, take a deep breath and think for a moment to regain connection to the real world.

You realise you’re calling someone a fascist, because they like to use a computer program to generate silly images for them.

Just kind of think on that for a second. I mean I know you won’t and you’ll just go back to throwing insults around again, but I’m still going to ask you to do it, just in case there is a reasonable person in there somewhere.

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Honestly would get more sense and better wit from an AI than you at this point.

Pretty weak cope tbh