Remember, we got to loop it through Jones!

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  • I have already read the first link you posted. As I mentioned in my OP for this thread, it is not convincing or logically sound. He literally says “It is not a bad thing that Republicans have moved so far on this issue”. Zero critical thought about this.

    Keep on acting obtuse. Hitler/Bitler. “You didn’t ask “what did the attempts accomplish”, did you?” Asking for outcomes on anti-trust is the same thing as “they completely obliterated Big Tech”. Small steps? What small steps are you talking about? We both know there are none and if any future action will happen it will be for show only and will never have any real impact.

    This sort sleazeball rhetoric is why I don’t trust people like Yen and you.

    I am done here.


  • What you seem to be saying is: “he didn’t criticise Trump, therefore he went against his client-base’s belief system, and that’s a bad thing”.

    Am I getting this right? Maybe elaborate on what’s your exact stance on Yen if I’m getting something confused?

    As I mentioned earlier, try and look at what I am saying outside the lens of internal US politics.

    I don’t buy into Yen’s (and seemingly your) statements about little guys, big guys and anti-trust. From my perspective, this makes no sense.

    An oligarch gang does not engage in good faith with respect to anti-trust. This is not up for discussion as far as I concerned (remember that I said I am not American).

    To try and imply otherwise (and be all high and mighty about it) is essentially mocking your customers.

    The examples you cited mean nothing, if they did mean something, then you would actually highlight some real world results (can you cite an outcome not preliminary actions, I don’t believe in American polemics about their judiciary and so on). But there are none, so instead you go with calling childish.

    Although I will say there is a beautiful irony in the following phrase:

    Don’t be childish. We’re not talking about completely redefining the tech landscape, we’re talking about reining a couple of “too big” companies in.

    Maybe you have your answer here (one that, I repeat, is not tied to internal US political matters).


  • The disrespect I am referring to has nothing to do with US politics or tribalism.

    It’s disrespectful because he think his customers are stupid enough to buy his ruse about “genuinely” thinking that a Trump admin would be concerned about anti-trust.

    In a global context, skepticism of oligarch groups is not a “minority position”. In many countries, if you start spouting random polemics about how “Oligarch X actually cares or might do some good”, people will think you hit your head or you’re trying to launch a new career as a standup comedian with a focus on politics.

    You referenced the current US admin assigning someone who is allegedly anti-trust? So what? What does this have to with anything? This is not some sort of silver bullet and it’s a bit sophomoric to claim this is of any significant importance.

    But, again, we NOW know what the true intentions were. In 2024, looking at the first term, you COULD honestly say that Trump did some good in a fight against Big Tech.

    In 2024, you couldn’t, because his previous admin, as bullshit-filled, corrupt and dishonest as it was, DID do some good things (mostly in a bad way - if it was all good, it was usually by accident). The anti-trust stuff was some of those good things.

    This is not at all convincing. There are multiple examples of two-stage oligarch/authoritarian takeovers in flawed democracies (I can come several of the top of my head). This is not unique to the US. An oligarch regime is not going to suddenly have a massive change in heart.

    What exactly were the good things? Which major company was broken up? Which executives went to jail?

    Try and look at what I am saying outside the lens of internal US politics. As I said earlier, I am not even necessarily saying that the Proton CEO is a Trump supporter, that doesn’t make the situation any better.


  • I am not American, but this doesn’t sound particularly convincing.

    Irrespective of where you stand on the political spectrum, you can reasonably state that Trump and his regime are extremely corrupt and are unlikely to have any good faith interest in targeting American technology oligarchs via anti-trust.

    Yen almost certainly knows this. So there had to be something else going on. Doesn’t necessarily have to be support for Trump, could be an attempt to gain favour.

    At any rate, Yen clearly disrespect his customers by engaging in faux-anti-trust polemics.