I asked OpenAI the same. Only without the snark, and noted that US politicians and OpenAI pressers should not be considered evidence without facts:

Great question—and a healthy dose of skepticism.

If we assume U.S. lawmakers may be misrepresenting the situation or overstating the threat (intentionally or otherwise), then it’s worth asking: What counter-evidence or independent information exists that disputes the claims against DeepSeek?

Here’s what we can currently analyze:

1.

OpenAI’s Role and Statements

• The accusation is that DeepSeek used OpenAI data without authorization.
• OpenAI has not released detailed technical evidence (as of now) proving DeepSeek “stole” data.
• It is also unclear what “unauthorized use” means here—was it scraping publicly available content generated by ChatGPT? That’s not the same as hacking or violating terms.

Counterpoint: Unless OpenAI provides forensic evidence (e.g., logs showing data scraping from banned accounts or circumvention of APIs), their claim is not independently verifiable.

2.

Open-source AI Training Practices

• DeepSeek R1 and other models are trained on publicly available data, much like LLaMA, Falcon, Mistral, etc.
• Many open-source LLMs train on similar corpora, including data from books, code repositories, and even internet crawls, which may contain ChatGPT outputs.
• No proof has been provided that DeepSeek used proprietary datasets beyond what’s publicly available or scraped from the internet.

Counterpoint: If DeepSeek simply trained on web data that happened to contain ChatGPT responses (which are abundant online), that wouldn’t constitute theft by typical AI research standards.

3.

DeepSeek’s Own Transparency

• DeepSeek has published detailed model cards and training parameters for R1, a transparency move rare among Chinese AI firms.
• This suggests a desire to appear cooperative or aligned with global AI openness norms—not necessarily what a covert “spy tool” would do.

Counterpoint: Spyware tools or state-controlled AI systems don’t usually go open source and document their architectures.

4.

No Independent Audit or Third-Party Verification

• As of now, there’s no independent audit of DeepSeek’s model, training corpus, or infrastructure.
• The accusations rest heavily on political framing, not technical forensics released to the public.

5.

Broader Pattern of U.S. Tech Nationalism

• U.S. lawmakers have a history of labeling Chinese tech firms as threats without providing concrete, public-facing evidence (Huawei, TikTok, etc.).
• This doesn’t mean the threats are false, but it does mean we should demand proof beyond committee soundbites.

TL;DR – Is there counter-evidence?

Not conclusive counter-evidence, but there’s a lack of compelling public proof supporting the claim. The case against DeepSeek is built on:

• OpenAI’s statements (without shared evidence),
• Political concerns about China,
• and suspicions rooted in strategic competition.

That’s not enough to say DeepSeek is innocent—but it’s not enough to prove guilt either

Missed the “my” on the shirt, now I’m just singing a parody in my head to I Love Rock n Roll….

“I love cranking hog, I put another stain on my sweatpants baby…”

I have a few and it can take time depending on how much obviously, but I’ve one that I removed the handle on and replaced with a drill bit. So for laughs when someone complains, I toss it in there and grab the ol power drill lol

This is the raddest thing I’ve seen this week 😍

Fuck literally everything about this launch.

This does both to spark my already astounding lack of interest in Nintendo’s latest money grab under the guise of “next gen”

To me at least, there’s nothing innovative being made at Nintendo anymore, and it seems they can’t even learn from their mistakes.

Getting permabanned was one of the best things that happened to me on Reddit.

Keep it up. With a can do attitude and a pocket full of dreams, you too can achieve this distinction one day 😅

For “threatening violence” which apparently was due to a comment I made where I said I wouldn’t piss on a Tesla fire if Musk’s mom was inside.

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I keep this shot as a badge of honour

Not engaging with the carnists but you nailed it.

Someone doesn’t know how dairy farms work…

No. Not raping and abusing them for selfish human wants makes cows happier. This is the stupidest shit ever.

Same. I honestly truly miss the magic and wonder if it, figuratively and literally. It was big for me growing up. Was devastated to see what my fandom had supported 💔

You can think that, but it’s wholly inaccurate. Especially these days.

The more people that engage with an artist’s work in any way online, the more analytics teams see that. They then note a steady demand for content around said IP. In order to create more content, the creator/author must be compensated even if not directly involved. If that compensation goes to a living person who willfully and knowingly uses it to justify horrendous actions, then every single person in that line of consumption is culpable. Starting with the consumer. Us.

This is exactly why they keep creating more shit for this franchise. It’s because people keep engaging and supporting it and demanding more. So then the author (who is btw on record as saying that her continued success is proof that people support her opinions), keeps getting richer and richer and goes on to have bigger platforms and unchecked actions.

As a trans person, if I knew any action taken by myself or a family member contributed even a small fraction of a percent of a single cent to that thunder cunt, I’d be nauseated.

Bottom line, real people > fake wizards.

But that’s me. You do you.

Good. Fuck that entire franchise and the bitch who proliferated hate off the backs of its fans.

From the same folks as Shredder’s Revenge? Hell yeah!

I’m a trans woman in small town America with no ability to move. I’ll take whatever I can get

This is why I only put in the minimal to stay off the radar and collect my check.