Both put each other in power. They are a team, always have been.

Capitalism and healthcare are fundamentally incompatible and can never work.

Learn to fucking read. Where does it say Mandela targeted civilians and murdered them. Do you even know who Nelson Mandela was?!? To compare him to Hamas should make it impossible to post a comment ever again–instant stupidity ban.

LOL, just so fucking ridiculous. It’s sad how dunning kruger this crowd is, so stupid they think they’re clever and way too dumb to know the truth.

You stupid fucker, Mandela didn’t target civilians for slaughter and war crimes. Your ability to reason is as weak as your character. Terrorist sympathizer scum.

I’m looking forward to all Hamas dead, and then we decide what to do with Hamas allies, apologists, and propagandists.

Switch sides, you confused sicko.

LOL and you’re the new wave of virtue-nazi, celebrating your antisemitism as somehow moral and justified. What a sick fuck.

Violent liberation movement? Holy fucking fanboi apologists batman. You gotta be a sick fuck to be pro hamas.

They’re terrorist monsters that can only be exterminated. Hamas who by hiding behind civilians, intentionally murder those civilians and celebrates the PR opportunity. All the while dumb fuckers fall for the propaganda and call these scum a “liberation movement”.

I celebrate every time one of those animals is put to death. Hamas has murdered more Palestinian Arabs than any other entity, bar none.

Said every Hamas terrorist and supporter. Such a bad fucking look!

Never let the capitalists control the tech, only misery can follow if we do… oops, too late!

Viva Lula!

Just like they destroyed the 2 state solution / Oslo accords when they got Bibi elected over Perez using suicide bombers and bombing buses full of civilians.

This is a repeat of Hamas’ greatest hits.

Hamas has successfully fucked the Palestinians their entire existsnce.

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Yeah, you’d have to go back to the multiple wars where the Arab nations attacked together to destroy Israel for it to be more even, right?

Which was what initially created the refugees bc they were told by those Arab nations that after Israel and the Jews are destroyed, the Arab Palestinians would be given all of Israel.

History is so inconvenient to bullshit narratives.

You need capitalism to collapse completely for this. The end state of capitalism is consolidation and aggregation under the power and control of a few royals (aka billionaires).

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Hamas came to power, really came to power by working with Bibi who was trying to unseat Perez. A two state solution looked very likely, and Perez and Arafat could have made it happen. Perez was in the lead, and Israel was still backing the two state solution.

At that time, Hamas waged a campaign of suicide bombings and bombed buses full of civilians. This delivered a less than 1% victory margin to Bibi, who would have lost otherwise. Arafat helped Hamas by not cracking down on them as Israel was asking (bc it was politically unpopular with the Palestinians), and inadvertently helped them get rid of Perez, the two state solution, and ironically himself from leadership. Bibi exists because Hamas wanted him there and theyve been bedfellows ever since.

The pro hamas lovers here hate objectivity and reason. But negative magic internet points is a non-issue compared to standing up to these monsters.

I appreciate your reply very much. We disagree, but I understand what you’re saying and certainly admit it is debatable.

I don’t think anybody who disagrees with me is pro-Hamas at all. And I definitely think Anti-Israeli government stances are legitimate. I think Bibi and many in his government are war criminals.

But there’s certainly many here on Lemmy who are anti-Jew and anti-Israeli and who always reply to Hamas’s crimes, either with whataboutisms, lies, or strawman, etc. Their comment histories are usually pretty clear. I regularly see calls for Israel’s destruction and decrying its right to exist on the world politics group. It’s accepted and welcomed there.

I appreciate you not just scrolling by and explaining earnestly and with good faith. And FWIW, I like your version lots better, but it’s just not my personal experience here in the Lemmy community.

Also, there’s a serious instant knee jerk to claim that any criticism or disagreement of pro-hamas propaganda is “playing the antisemitism card”. Yes, I think Bibi lovers do it in bad faith, but I see lots of actual antisemtic comments and discourse that do deserve the label. And all of ut is decried as pro-israeli proaganda, in very bad faith.

One of the issues rhe hypersensitivity brings is actual antisemites hide behind radicalized lefties like hamas hides behind civilians. And lack of acknowledging who they’re in bed with or lack of awareness of it is dangerous and at times duplicitous.

Again, thanks for the thoughtful reply.

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Its more than bad optics, it’s an outright egregious war crime, and those responsible need to be held accountable at the ICC.