Spamming the comment section with pro israeli comments or even just muddying the waters. I’ve seen it with a few posters, including rivermonster. It distracts those reading from the real issue being discussed, usually israeli crimes against humanity.

Ok i see, i think i understand what your position is now. I don’t fully agree but i can respect it.

No one is denying that south africa has a corruption problem. But that doesn’t mean that SA’s stance against israel on the ongoing ethnic cleansing and genocide of Palestinians is because Russia or China told us so.

You’re conflating the two issues. There is absolute disgust and anger at the israelis and absolute empathy towards the Palestinians because we went through the same brutalisation and dehumanisation by a racist radicalised minority government that the Palestinians are going through right now.

I would say that the Palestinians are actually subjected to worse than what south africans were subjected to. And that’s really saying something, because we know how awful apartheid was and how much brutalisation we were subject to during apartheid.

I think you’re ignoring that the south african government ( minus the DA and and their allies) and the people of south africa support the palestinians because we recognise exactly what an apartheid oppressor state looks like, and we recognise israel as being an apartheid oppresssor.

Aparheid wasn’t that long ago that we’ve forgotten what it was like. We’re still living through the repercussions of it, and will be for many years to come. We know the palestinian people are living through the same. And when they’re free of the israeli apartheid inflicted on them they’ll have to live with the repercussions of that for many generations.

It’s empathy that south africa is feeling.

Interesting take.

So you’re against “being deported to literal death camps alongside your whole population being rape and tortured while your children are taken away to be stripped of their cultures”.

But you don’t want the genocide and ethnic cleansing of Palestinians to be highlighted.

The israelis have a similar view to yours; one of their children killed is a tradgedy ( as it should be), but thousands of Palestinian children killed is a blip on their radar.

You seem vehemently opposed to “being deported to literal death camps alongside your whole population being rape and tortured while your children are taken away to be stripped of their cultures”. Which is why i would think you would wholeheartedly support the highlighting of the quoted text that is precisely what is happening to the Palestinians.

But like i said, like the israelis, you seem to hold one people’s importance above the other.

Right. Because south africa has absolutely no agency of our own, right? We can’t do anything worthwhile without european or white masters /s

I suppose the colonial mindset hasn’t left all south africans

Ok i see, it is difficult to read intent online.

But that’s exactly why it’s extremely telling when south africa calls israel an apartheid state. Because south african’s know what it’s like to be brutalised and dehumanised under an apartheid state. They see direct parallels of apartheid south africa in israel.

I don’t see it as ironic, i see it as damning.

Yes. I believe the Israelis dug a tunnel when they built the hospital too

https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-did-israel-build-bunker-under-shifa-hospital-1844107

It’s not even true to call it collateral damage. Israel is deliberately targeting civilians, it’s mass murder.

I doubt they’ll see their babies again if they let israel take them. And they’ve already seen that the world will do nothing to help them

I still believe it’s the US and Norway that blew it up. The US can’t be seen to be attacking Europe and Russia so Ukraine is going to be a convenient fall guy for them.

The US had the motive and the means, and biden even slipped up before the war and said that if Russia attacked, the US would destroy Nordstream.

The US needs to be deterred from the world

Wasn’t that peace deal more in ukraine’s favour at the time? And then their western allies ordered them to refuse it?

The parallels between what ukrainians are fighting for and palestinians are fighting for is so clear to see. Yet i see people unironically support ukraine and israel at the same time.

I’ve seen the ukranian flag and the israeli flag next to their usernames. And i truly wonder what their thought process is to get them to that point.

As we speak israel just bombed an ambulance convoy full of injured people. And then, not long later, the indonesian hospital in gaza was damaged even more by the israelis.

Where are the people screaming that Palestinians should make peace right now? Make peace with WHOM?

At this point Israel’s word means absolutely nothing, they have little to no credibility

Oh i answered every one of your questions.

Borders absolutely did change internally in south africa, despite you claiming that borders did not. And i want to point out that israel is the occupying force in gaza and west bank, so if they go for a one state solution then borders would be internally changed. If they go for a two state solution borders would still be internally affected, so i don’t know what you are complaining about.

South africa did start over from scratch, did you read about the new constitution drawn up, the overhaul of the apartheid laws set in place, the putting in place of a government of national unity, the democratic elections, the overhauling of the judicial system, etc. There was a whole fucking lot of change. And, let me repeat this from my previous reply, the apartheid government stealing the state coffers dry, so the new government started from scratch.

Apartheid wasn’t just a policy, it was an ideology, a state of being for the racist minority, a hellish state of being for the majority. So fuck you for being reductive about Apartheid. This is the reason why so many south africans could and can always absolutely relate to the hell that palestinians are living through.

Israel is practicing a worse form of Apartheid, that is absolutely clear for any south african to see, so the comparison between israel and Apartheid south africa is more valid than many other comparisons.

Lastly, i was answering your questions because i have some knowledge on the subject. And fuck me for engaging with people on a social media platform all about engagement, right?

I can answer that. Apartheid south africa had no fucking right to exist; the policies and the country. It should have been dissolved entirely long before it eventually was.

South Africa did start from scratch after the end of the Apartheid, if you know anything about how much the Apartheid government looted the state coffers bare before democracy.

Talking about Afrikaaners leaving and natives staying is disingenuous. Everyone wanted Apartheid sympathisers gone, and to coexist as equal citizens in the new democratic country.

I can draw so many parallels between Apartheid south africa and israel.

I think you’re getting confused. Before the creation of Israel there were jewish palestinians, and Christian Palestinians and muslim Palestinians. And then the apartheid ethnostate of Israel was created, and israel made everyone who was not jewish a 2nd class citizen or a refugee.

Before the creation of israel people of the three faiths were living together in Palestine.

So i’m quite sure the problem is actually israel

Why can’t there be Jewish Palestinians?