Startpage (search engine) displays results from TMDB. It looks like it might be decent: https://www.themoviedb.org/movie/33602-temple-grandin

Tanks :) I’ll check it out

Unfortunately, no, I’m not aware of any alternate platform to imdb. I use Wikipedia for movie info, but it doesn’t have fan/ user reviews, etc.

May I ask what movie? imdb is amazon, which I don’t support

I don’t really avoid non-vegan food topics because they’re triggering to me. I might have for the first 6 months or so I was vegan, when my newfound vegan anguish or vystopia was really fresh.

But now, seeing someone eat meat or talk about how much they like meat products doesn’t affect me much. I know that 100 million or so sentient beings are being killed each and every day after being confined to cramped, cruel, and unhygienic environments all their lives - and it’s killing the planet and causing humans to be on cardio metabolic drugs all their lives. All of this is propped up and protected by big money through ag-gag laws, government subsidies, ridiculous advertising budgets, and lobbying against vegan meats.

I find it saddening to be around chicken restaurants, because I know chickens are treated very inhumanely. I dislike any imaging of say a chicken offering up a bucket of fried chicken.

I avoid talking about non-vegan food and being in non-vegan-friendly environments because I don’t want to participate in those types of events. I might have a good amount of things in common with someone who’s non-vegan, but talking to them about meat focuses our interaction on things I don’t share with them at all and in fact think less of them for it (e.g., what is behind their daily cruelty to sentient beings - unintelligence, denial, a desire to fit in). Often some guilt or defensiveness in them upon learning that I don’t share their indifference to the suffering of non-human animals is the first thing that’s noticeable. I’ll steer conversations back to things we have in common.

People who are genuinely curious about eating less non-human animal products have very different vibes. And I always try to welcome them where they’re at.

Mmmmm, plant-based cake collection

It’s a form of ‘othering’, which is an attempt to portray something (we don’t associate with) as fundamentally different or alien.

It probably stems from their cognitive dissonance, as in you’re eating cruelty-free and they’re not, so it helps them resolve any mental tension about their cruelty-containing diet by painting yours as strange.

If I were in your shoes, I’d sort out what I make of their behaviour. Are they good-naturedly adjusting to a family member making a lifestyle change or are they trolling. If I felt they were trolling, I’d do the opposite of what they’re doing. I would insist on labelling everything that is naturally vegan, “A vegan [food item, like watermelon]” and correct them each time, etc. To push it a step further, which would likely be too trolling for my tastes, call non-vegan things something like “animal cruelty [food item, like pumpkin break]”

Being vegan - interacting with omnivores and their denialism, projections, etc. - gets much easier with time.

Edit: Another approach would be to non-judgementally ask them about it, which might help them discover their own motivations and feelings around the issue. “I notice you’re prefixing, and I’d like to understand why you feel the need to do that better. Can you tell me a little more about what’s going on for you?”

Great write up, very clear! Fediverse for the win here 😎

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Your analysis is a better example of base rates than conditional probability imo

That begs the question, do their hate subscriptions appear in the subscribed feeds of their main Lemmy accounts or do they have dedicated hate Lemmy accounts? ;p

Bless you, my friend! Thank you for adding credibility to this post :D

I get a little interest out of noticing voting patterns on vegan@lemmy.world posts and thinking about what drives those patterns. I feel we’ve drummed up some hostility for questioning the welfare of dog service animals here. I’ll leave it there. Peace to all beings ✌️ Shoutout Viscacha and manul

So, obviously I’m not suggesting that the garbage bags of deceased chickens OP commenter saw on a jog are a primary driver of the spread of avian flu across the world/NA.

Wildlife X captive non-human animal interactions are critical links in the transmission of avian flu. Hotbeds of mass-contained immunologically naive non-human animals (e.g., factory farms) play an important role in mutation and spread as well.

The big picture is that with the increasing threat of pandemic-scale zoonotic disease we need, at minimum, stricter biosecurity in industrial non-human animal agriculture. It is an industry that contributes the greatest zoonotic risk. However, it is also industry that litigiously shields itself from oversight (i.e., ag-gag laws) and has a ton of $$$ lobby power. Also, the incoming US administration couldn’t look more incompetent

Less non-human animal agriculture would be even better

There’s downplaying by individual organizations (e.g., farms), federal agencies, and the media (who fail to connect the dots between avian flu in chickens and cow ‘livestock’ and the prices of eggs, milk, and meat).

What’s happening in zoos interests me, as it’s kind of the gold standard of biosafety as far as non-human animal enterprises go. There are experts and protocols there, and there aren’t anti-transparency laws, as there are for non-human animal agriculture (the ag-gag laws).

In other words, if non-human animals are getting sick at zoos, then risks are almost certainly inadequately controlled in other areas,

If you’re suspicions about the trashbags full of dead chickens you saw are correct, the humans who kept those chickens are helping spread avian flu to the local coyote population

Because I’m not a big fan of Abba’s music, I’d never really thought of them as musical geniuses, but you’re right. I just listened to “Gimme! Gimme! Gimme!” and realized that Madonna sampled it in “Hung Up,” which I thought was an original beat. I love that beat. It reminds me of bonus levels in Sonic 3 on Sega Genesis from my youth lol

Hear, hear. I think I’m also going to stop saying “milk” (when I mean cows’ milk) and “dairy” and replace these with “cows’ milk” and “cows’ milk products”. Euphemisms normalize and hide exploitation. I made the shift from “animal” to “non-human animal” and I’ve never faced backlash. I think these language shifts are pretty non-threatening ways while around omnis to gently challenge the status quo. It also serves an IYKYK feature. I would privately approach someone who uses “non-human animal” and ask if they’re vegan; I think other vegans might be able to identify me by my use of the term

Good on them. I just read the article and checked out The RSPCA’s Wiki. It’s neat that an animal welfare organization is almost 200 years old. It sounds like they are involved in many if not all non-human animal sectors (e.g., domestic pets, ‘livestock’).

It sounds like the organization and/or some of the higher-ups (not the two who resigned) have sort of lost their way. The key issue is that The RSPCA runs a scheme where they inspect non-human animal agriculture facilities and accredit them as having ‘lesser cruelty’ or something to that effect; however this scheme has become eyewash. Non-tolerable - per the scheme - animal abuses are being documented on accredited farms and the RSPCA is turning a blind eye. That’s why these two resigned - they spoke out about this and still nothing was being done.

One thing this makes me think of is that maybe vegan organizations function best when they specialize in a particular niche. I can foresee issues coming up when the same organization handling reports of people abusing dogs and offering free spay and neuter clinics also runs campaigns about reducing meat consumption or inspects non-human animal agriculture facilities. I know in Canada, vegan organizations must abstain from legal activism/advocacy to retain their status as a charity. Diversification might make sense. Ramble over

I wonder if we could gather a list of different vegan organizations and what they do. Maybe crowdsource ideas in a post, tidy them up, and publish them in a stickied post. I could speak to Animal Justice (Canadian, legal), Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine (PCRM; US, medical/health), Faunalytics (research, data, policy), The Vegan Society (UK, research, policy, and makers of a great vegan multivitamin)

But where are you going to get your carcinogens and cholesterol, and how can you ensure that your protein sourcing has myriad negative effects on the planet and others dwelling on it? 🤪

I feel you’re watering down vegan perspectives on c/vegan, but maybe you don’t see this as a space for philosophy, activism, and solidarity

Thanks for your reply, Cris. We get a lot of non-vegans driving by here and making dumb, speciest comments.

I can now tell you’re not one of those; your heart’s in the right place. But your casual invocation of rights confused me. If you’d said what you meant, “baby cows are really cute,” we wouldn’t be having this discussion.

I’m neither angry nor trying to proselytize here. And I couldn’t give a hoot about how many non-vegans downvote me for speaking the truth about non-human animal suffering. I regard this as a for us/by us community, and I communicate in it accordingly - this is not the place for eyewash about how humans treat and think of non-human animals. This is a place to cut through denial and have honest discussions about subjects that are really important and sometimes really grotesque.

I commend you for your open-mindedness and I hope to see you back here again, if you so choose. You have given me some to think about in terms of how best I can meet people at all stages in their transition to veganism (including completely closed off to the idea).

My only ask of you would be to consider your c/vegan audience next time in your phrasing. We here do not believe there is any justice to the status quo of non-human animal agriculture, and we are witness to horrible things perpetuated on large-scale by our species. So casually talking about “rights” is fraught. Again, I would not have objected to “baby cows are so cute.”

I’m sorry if this seems overly complicated. But you’re in an unfamiliar cultural space. If I was in your shoes, I wouldn’t beat myself up for making a small honest mistake, and I’d listen more than I talk.

Have a good day as well, as happy Winter Solstice (depending on where you are :)