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I’m not sure I follow, how does Lemmy as a software get affected by the political leaning of its developers? I can see this happening on platforms, but on decentralized services like Lemmy? Care to elaborate? (and yes, I am aware the main instance can have its rules and what not and they can lean one way or another, but that’s just that instance)

Also, not really sure what you mean by left and right. Are you referring to left and right regarding american politics? norwegian? Those lefts and rights are completely different AFAIK. (source: I’m a fellow scandinavian)
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I’m not going to discuss anything in the thread, but I’ll explain a bit.

A) How does it’s developers affect the project and code

The problem is that the developers represent the software they are making. If they push anything or behave any way externally to the masses it’s going to reflect on Lemmy. But how Lemmy is set up also affects it’s ecosystem. With the ecosystem being how it is will mean the major community can make hurdles for other instances. The flagship instance is also where most people will end up, which means that most of the community will be on the flagship instance which the developers control, and all the biggest groups will also be on the flagship instance. This gives a lot of power to a group of developers I’m not sure will act in my best interest.

B) What do you mean in the political realm

Yes, this is tricky. Particurarly for us from Scandinavia. But I mean in terms of a extreme left even in Norway and Sweden. They’d be like like excluded from the red party in Norway and the equivalent in Sweden. I consider these what is called ‘tankies’ which I’ve never really met before now.

And with tankies I’m working with this definition:

A hardline Stalinist. A tankie is a member of a communist group or a “fellow traveller” (sympathiser) who believes fully in the political system of the Soviet Union and defends/defended the actions of the Soviet Union and other accredited states (China, Serbia, etc.) to the hilt, even in cases where other communists criticise their policies or actions. For instance, such a person favours overseas interventions by Soviet-style states, defends these regimes when they engage in human rights violations, and wishes to establish a similar system in other countries such as Britain and America.

The term is used to distinguish the rare individuals with these kinds of beliefs from communists more broadly (including Communist Party members), whose adherence to Soviet doctrine and attachment to existing “socialist” states is somewhat weaker.

It is always more-or-less abusive in the sense that those termed tankies do not use the term themselves, but it doesn’t have any particular bite (unlike, say, Trot).

The term derives from the fact that the divisions within the communist movement first arose when the Soviet Union sent tanks into communist Hungary in 1956, to crush an attempt to establish an alternative version of communism which was not embraced by the Russians. Most communists outside the eastern bloc opposed this action and criticised the Soviet Union. The “tankies” were those who said “send the tanks in”.

The epithet has stuck because tankies also supported “sending the tanks in” in cases such as Czechoslovakia 1968, Afghanistan 1979, Bosnia and Kosovo/a (in the case of the Serbian state), and so on (whereas the rest of the communist movement has gravitated towards anti-militarism). I wouldn’t be surprised if the tankies even defend Saddam Hussein.

Some of the people round George W Bush used to be left-wing, but they haven’t really changed their views much; they were mostly tankies.

for anyone reading that definition of tankie, i will provide some education:

“Stalinism” is not a thing.

to the hilt, even in cases where other communists criticise their policies or actions.

this is 100% false. “tankies” absolutely have criticisms of socialists states. but 1) they are just criticisms, not those based on false propaganda 2) are not shared aloud around liberals because liberals latch on to a single thing as if it is evidence that proves every one of their wrong thoughts

Some of the people round George W Bush used to be left-wing, but they haven’t really changed their views much; they were mostly tankies.

32 urte

Thank you for a very detailed and thought out answer.

In the end, we all do pick communities we feel at home at, so I do understand you, and I hope you will find a place where you will feel welcome and safe in. Godspeed.

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