✨Nora Tindall (@tindall@cybre.space)
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Snap is a really cool system and in some ways it's better than Flatpak. I understand the maintainability benefits over repo-packaged software. But, consistently, Snap-packaged software Does Not Work; Chromium broke when they snapified it, and now Firefox is broken on @ubuntu@ubuntu.social too. I can't report bugs against it, because the support page for Mozilla is useless and the distro doesn't accept bugs against the snap version - even though, from a user perspective, the change is simple. "Firefox on Ubuntu used to be really good, and now it doesn't work." I don't know what to say other than, Canonical, you broke my heart. I've been a die-hard Ubuntu user since Lucid - on my first ever computer of my own! - and I think I'm done. I'm getting a Lenovo 2242 NVMe SSD for my T480 in today, and I think I'm going to install Fedora.
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Why do Ubuntu users who get fedupp with canonicals bs seem to choose something like fedora when they could just go with Debian and have it be nearly the same just without the stupid bloat.

@AgreeableLandscape@lemmy.ml
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Debian really isn’t suitable as a general daily driver OS. It’s more geared toward production environments or professional workstations.

Both Pop! OS and Linux Mint are Ubuntu without Canonical’s BS tho!

@Echedenyan@lemmy.ml
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I can ensure you that is suitable as a daily driver.

krolden
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It really isn’t. If you’re already an Ubuntu user you can just reinstall all your applications and preserve your home directory.

Switching to an entirely different packaging ecosystem (especially RPMs, bleh) seems like a lot more of a leap rather than restoring your previous desktop on a Debian install.

Switching from Ubuntu to something like pop or mint is at best a lateral move in terms of usability, unless you’re totally inept at restoring your own dotfiles. Any Ubuntu user that is getting fed up with stuff like snap should have enough knowledge of Linux to be able to switch to Debian without issue.

If pop or mint have anything else over Debian other than noobie usability, I’d love to hear about them.

@Whom@lemmy.ml
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Because Fedora tries harder than Debian to be an approachable and polished system out of the box. That, and if you need newer packages than what’s in Debian Stable then the experience is better on a distro like Fedora than making Testing or Sid work. Not to say that those options are bad, but depending on what you value Fedora might be closer to what you previously got out of Ubuntu than Debian.

@Helix@feddit.de
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making Testing or Sid work

Just er, install it?

@Whom@lemmy.ml
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I’m not saying it’s difficult, but it’s a relatively shaky experience not meant for regular usage. They’re called “Testing” and “Unstable” for a reason. Sid requires you to watch your updates and be sure nothing fucky is happening…that’s a notable extra step to just using your system that not everyone wants to deal with.

I love Debian and all but use Fedora on most of my machines simply because for my use case of high spec gaming, up to date packages are all but required and using a system designed to be used that way is a much smoother experience than using the development version of a system not trying at all to cater to my needs.

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I left Ubuntu in v18 could not tolerate snaps. Whereas flatpaks just work for me, and the apps are kept up to date. With some quick tweaks you too can make dnf run much faster.

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People say “hurr durr Fedora overuses flatpaks just as much as Ubuntu uses snaps”

No it doesn’t? Unless you’re on SilverBlue, like, maybe five default packages are on flatpaks?

@sgtnasty@lemmy.ml
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Most of the applications I use are flatpaks and they launch just as fast and I have no issues with theses. The ONLY “issue” I ran into was a sandbox problem with not being able to launch an editor. Cant remember the which app it was, but I’m sure I can fix it with flatseal.

In my humble opinion, if there ever is going to be a “year of the linux desktop” its going to be Fedora who gets there first. Canonical gave up a few years ago and is more interested in server.

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Ubuntu even installs the snap service on servers which makes no sense for me.

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Especially since snaps seem to be on an “edge” release cycle. Kind of rolling release.

Which is exactly the thing you don’t want on a mission critical system!

Bilb!
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Last I checked is still the recommended way to install the LetsEncrypt certbot, though these days I tend to have that happen within containers anyway.

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The ONLY “issue” I ran into was a sandbox problem with not being able to launch an editor. Cant remember the which app it was, but I’m sure I can fix it with flatseal.

VSCode/VSCodium?

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