All the news headlines and verdict said sexual abuse, which was kind of vague, but I just found out today that the judge clarified that this was a matter of legal definition and by the verdict of the trial and the case, trump has been found guilty of penetrative rape.
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Found guilty
Technically not, and this is an important distinction because the level of evidence required for a civil case is less than that of a criminal case.
He has been found civilly liable for something legally distinct from rape
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nope, it’s Donald “civally liable for acts equivalent to, but legally distinct from, rape” John “grab 'em by the pussy” Trump
That’s the one!
Good ole Commander and Creep
Didn’t she say that she wasn’t sure if it was his penis or his fingers and that’s why in NY they couldn’t call it rape.
Few more explanatory quotes - https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/aug/07/donald-trump-rape-language-e-jean-carroll
Article says the jury found trump liable for digital(fingers) penetration, but not for irrefutable non-consensual penetration using his penis, which is the only way to legally be found liable for “rape” in NY.
I have not watched or read a transcript of the trial yet, this is a true TIL.
I cannot imagine the ordeal for the victim when a bunch of folks in suits discusses if someone forced his dick inside of you or “just” his fingers…
Pretty horrifying.
At least trump was found liable, though. I was thinking of a victim exposing themselves in the courtroom and the countless times a jury finds for the rich douchebag with more lawyers.
By any other name, would he still be a creep.
Yes, the answer is yes.
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Not a convict because it was a civil case rather than criminal, trump is still a rapist according to a judge and jury.
I only bring this up so that if you ever get in a debate or someone says he’s not a rapist, they can’t falsely dismiss that trumpi is a rapist on a technicality within your statement.
Trump is a rapist.
What the actual fuck
Exactly, I totally agree
That’s what happens when men write laws that are used to try other men for crimes against women
She didn’t have her contacts in; it could have been his penis or his pinky finger based on size.
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Absolutely, except by law in New York.
shut the fuck up. rape is rape.
How much does it matter to the victim whether the assaulter’s penis or fingers were forced inside of them if they couldn’t identify which it was? I’m sure she would have preferred neither. You’re just arguing semantics right?
Lock him up! Lock him up! Lock him up! tRump for prison 2023!
And beyond
Sooo… he’s a rapist - as if we needed any confirmation of that.
The party line was that he technically wasn’t accused of rape, and while I would have thought he was a rapist anyway, without the judge explicitly saying that Trump is a racist I would have never known that from reading the articles and news about it.
If Lemmy had a bar exam, you would have just failed it with this post.
If lemmy was a needle, you’d be able to make a point.
Guess Lemmy for him is a golf game as he’s clearly ahead in the sub par territory.
