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If you have to use Windows out of necessity, you can at least use this tool (FOSS GPL 3.0) that removes bad habits from Windows safely and easily, throwing out all this garbage and telemetry that makes it so hateful.

  • Full multilingual support (18 languages available)
  • Speed up your system and network performance
  • Disable unnecessary Windows services
  • Disable Windows telemetry, Cortana and many more
  • Disable Office telemetry (works only with Office 2016)
  • Disable Windows 10 automatic updates
  • Download useful apps quickly at once
  • Uninstall UWP apps
  • Clean your system drive and major browsers’ profile data
  • Fix common registry issues
  • Ping IPs and assess your latency
  • Search IPs on SHODAN.io
  • Rapidly change DNS server (from a pre-made list)
  • Flush DNS cache
  • Remove unwanted programs running at startup
  • Edit your HOSTS file
  • Find file lock handles and kill associated processes
  • Network speed monitoring
  • Hardware inspection tool
  • Add items in desktop on right-click menu
  • Define custom commands for run dialog
  • Silent run support using a configuration file
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Unfortunately Windows is a must with few real alternatives (LinuxFX(???)) for many people for various reasons. For this reason, the only possibility for them, is to try to leave Windows in its purely necessary functions, removing all this spyware and garbage that it carries, which luckily is possible with apps like I mentioned, which is the best and most complete.

The computing world is always a search for compromises. Although in this case everyone can use Linux in dual boot, this way practically all needs are covered.

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Why is LinuxFX a “real alternative” as a Linux distribution? Ubuntu, Debian, Fedora, Mint and plenty other derivatives of these are superior to Windows, and Windows is an unneeded nuisance apart from few cases like using proprietary VSCode, or whatever exclusive game that does not work on Proton. It is interesting that you mention a controversial distribution like LinuxFX, and not any of the big distributions.

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This is why I mentioned it with the question marks. Regarding Windows, it is a fact that many professional applications in various fields are for Windows and do not have feasible alternatives. Games are not the main problem, where there are more and more that also have versions for Linux.

Linux has some advantages over Windows, without a doubt, but the problem is that there are many different distros and not all of them are fully compatible with each other, and for this reason in certain professions that require certain software, the only possibility is to use Windows, so least for now.

It is the result when an OS dominates almost 90% of the market and the rest is shared between iOS and 50 different Linux distros, certain software companies often do not bother to spend the money to develop specific software, for so many different OS, with which implies, leaving it in the hands of communities and individuals to dedicate themselves to this, which on the other hand naturally do not have it easy to develop software for official uses, town halls, health, education, banks, etc. that for this reason they are not going to use Linux, exceptions aside, in most cases in the field of soft for servers.

Adding also that Windows has with distance the biggest catalogue of FOSS of all OS, apart from the comercial soft. MS even allows itself the luxury of offering distros, even Kali, in the MS Store itself, they know their position very well, for this they tolerate even this fake Windows like LinuxFX, even though it even uses the Windows logo and MS services, or ReactOS, because MS knows very well the limitations they have and they cannot be a competition to be taken seriously, if not, they would have faced lawsuits for crimes against copyright a long time ago.

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Linux has some advantages over Windows, without a doubt, but the problem is that there are many different distros and not all of them are fully compatible with each other, and for this reason in certain professions that require certain software, the only possibility is to use Windows, so least for now.

Wrong. There is only 1 major ecosystem in Linux world, which is APT/DEB. Companies cater first to Ubuntu/Debian, then RedHat/SUSE, then Fedora and rest. And Flatpaks and Snaps have solved the dependency problem, and work well with every big distribution,

Adding also that Windows has with distance the biggest catalogue of FOSS of all OS, apart from the comercial soft. MS even allows itself the luxury of offering distros, even Kali, in the MS Store itself, they know their position very well

It is more like corporate closed source people can exploit FOSS, but the reverse is untrue, both in intent and ability. This also reveals Microsoft’s own weakness which you have omitted – that they themselves use Linux on Azure Cloud for their work, instead of Windows or Windows Server.

Your interests are far from promoting FOSS, be it Vivaldi or Windows, it is funny to me. And the most interesting part is that your takes are not dipped in reality, or improving it, but sustainability of the current method of working, and that you try to find stability in it forcefully, even if it is no longer possible. It is somewhat like cuckery, and I cannot stop getting amused.

People can always segment away and use Windows, because those who need to work and get things done, always have 2 or more machines, and a segmented workflow to increase efficiency, instead of spamming Windows and its nightmare ways of doing things everywhere, unless you want to talk about the single use case of code monkeys jobbing it out with proprietary VSCode, purposely not open sourced by Microsoft, because they know what they did with throwing the VSCodium bait to FOSS/Linux users.

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As I said before, everybody can have 2 or more Os in it’s PC in dual or multi boot. I have a great preference for FOSS, whenever possible, but first of all I care more about the service or the software that best serves my purposes and uses that I give it and that it has sufficient quality. If it’s FOSS, better, but it’s not always like that.

I’m not a programmer and whether or not I can see the source code isn’t necessarily a priority, if I know the product is reliable, which isn’t always the case at FOSS either. It amuses me when I see clear statements like, ‘if it’s not FOSS, it’s crap’, something that some I know have already been unpleasantly surprised that it isn’t what they thought, as many times with fixed ideas in other areas. I am old and with computers since punched cards were used and I have seen practically everything, in the past with some successes with the PCs I had, which made me learn the hard way. Now I can say that I have a reliable PC, in the configuration and with the software that adapts to the millimeter to my needs, without failing to keep up with new developments. Naturally everyone has their own priorities and for this reason one can never make claims that this or that is better than others, simply if it works for you without bad surprises and without having to make life unnecessarily more complicated…

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If it’s FOSS, better, but it’s not always like that.

I never said that, I am not a zealot of that kind just because I prefer a pro privacy libre culture, which is why I tolerate Windows or MacOS users, and present them with ways to convert if it is feasible and not a hassle. It is not a hassle anymore, provided you put your effort in the first time setup in Linux. It is the same way as picking up a barbell, you cannot do a 60kg squat day 1.

I do use non FOSS programs in a limited capacity, and I am not a Stallmanist. But I am not going to be the one doing what Vivaldi does with 5% closed source code, or Apple with 5% open source code, and mentally gymnast around those things. I also advocate privacy on a sizeable scale, and bolster Lemmy out of pure altruism.

If you are old enough, you know about the XP-era memes where people could make a cup of coffee as their machine booted. Now, there are cultural memes about 5 hour update times at this point, it is that bad. The reality is that using Windows is a nightmare for people. This is a reality for people that use Windows just because they need to use that proprietary plugin loaded VSCode, instead of FOSS VSCodium, a purposeful limitation by Microsoft. It is apparent how Adobe, Intel and NVidia together with Microsoft sleep in the bed with each other to create their hardware-software walled ecosystem, out of which people cannot escape because people need to do their jobs and earn money in this insanely imbalanced capitalist society.

People can dual boot, that makes sense, but using Windows becoming acceptable is sheer insanity, because it is an attempt to avoid using Linux because it is not Windows, and it will never devolve into the monster that is Windows. It is good, Linux should not become a monster. Linux is so good, it updates without making your system unusable for even a minute, and most of the times does not require a restart at all.

I dual booted 5 years ago, and using Windows stopped making sense to me. That was the time I first touched Ubuntu 16.04, and that was the time it got adopted as daily driver. I used to use my Windows XP and 8.1 virtual machine installations plenty times for the first year, 6 months in, and I was needing the VMs once in a couple months. A year later, I opened VM just twice. After that, I do not even open the VM, because WPS Office works natively on Linux, with 100% MS Office compatibility. Non-FOSS, but I killed off using Windows off of my life easily.

I was a WinRAR zealot since a decade, still like it a lot. But 7-Zip (and 7Z) is just so much freer to work with, and I liked 7-Zip just as much. There have been closed softwares I have always liked throughout the past 2 decades, and I swear by Snapseed on my phone for RAW editing. There is more to what and how I recommend, and I am neither part of the crowd you are, nor the FOSS zealot crowd, but I am very close to the FOSS crowd while maintaining the balance in a more optimised way. You are casual about optimisation, I am relatively more hardcore.

I can go on and on, but I came from the crowd you are still in, years ago, and fine tuned the balance long ago. Maybe I should write a piece on it, because I have never felt more pushed or sniffed a more perfect time.

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I am aware of all the problems in Windows, avoiding even to connect to MS pages, because MS site is the worst tracker and spy nightmare in the web, worse as Google, MS even use keylogging and mousemovements to profile the user. But this doesn’t take away from that and you can keep your privacy within an acceptable range, if you need to use Windows for whatever reason, if you’re being prevented from connecting to the house and blocking media that try to do so. Leaving it as it should be, a platform for applications, without further ado.

Of course, it is recommended to use Linux and there is no problem using it in dual boot, which is the best and **only **solution for those who need to use Windows. I am very aware of the problems of privacy on the network and I know how to keep it as much as possible, but I do not have many illusions that 100% privacy and security is possible on the network, it would be childish to believe this. I use Vivaldi simply because it is the browser that best suits my preferences and needs out of all the browsers that I have tried, practically all of them, and because I know that it offers good privacy, despite the UI script that is auditable but proprietary, because I also know that it has nothing to do with the privacy of the product, it depends solely on the developer or company, regardless of whether it is FOSS or not. I have known the Vivaldi devs for 6 years and I know their ethics regarding users, because those who can, actively participate in the community, including von Tetzchner himself. They even work on Sundays if there is a bug, to send a fix as quickly as possible. I don’t know of many other companies that do. This is what is important for me, if for you it is FF or some fork, better for you, I have it as a second browser, apart from some others.

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but I do not have many illusions that 100% privacy and security is possible on the network, it would be childish to believe this.

This is the same kind of defeatism as 100% communism being impossible. Do 99% then, or 95%. Perfect is the enemy of good, and it does not mean you start to go for 60% or 70%, instead of 99%.

Windows 10 Ameliorated looks way better compared to LTSC. It is the closest to Linux privacy experience, if you want to be able to use Windows only applications that do not work in WINE or a Windows VM.

While Microsoft seems lesser evil than Google or Facebook or Cloudflare across internet, they have a massive grip over people, being the one who own Windows, installed on 95% end user machines as standard and non-debloated installations and generates ample telemetry from it. The users of debloated LTSC and Ameliorated are way too low.

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Don’t misunderstand me with the privacy, when you go online not even with VPN and TOR you are protected 100%, there are to many high tech tracking and profiling used by big tech and goverments (test it in Browserleaks and you will see, and Browserleaks only use the most important methodes). The user can only make it somwhat more difficult to profile him, more, he can’t employ full protection, because it will brake most of the websites which will stop to work properly. Adding naturally that the user himself is the biggest privacy hole. Nothing to do with communism, but with the greed of Big Companies which dominate the web. apart of countries which intercept sat and undersea cables (Echelon, bulk interception, etc.).

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You can be fully protected with Tor or I2P or other methods with an apt OPSEC. VPN is contextual anonymity, not for activist anonymity. Nobody is asking you to use Facebook on Tor. And there are more things to it than Browserleaks.

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I know these and also that browserleaks only checks the most habitual methods, there are a lot more and more sofisticated used. But for me is enough, when browserleaks show me wrong results or N/D , what can be expected with an acceptable protection. You can think to go completly as ghost in the web, but don’t trust, a lot of goverments and big companies also know these methodes and invert millions to track you, independent what you use with your humble PC. Even more so in the current cold war with Russia, which also takes place, and a lot, on the web, with the best hackers in the secret services on both sides, where a connection that is too private and encrypted can even be very suspicious, putting you in the center of attention. As I say, it is always a search for compromises, between reasonable privacy and what really makes sense, at least if you are not a criminal or a periodist in a dictatorship (The big drug lords prefer to use paper notes for their communications), without restricting yourself too much in browsing, not being able to access some pages, why they block you or do not work, which is very likely with too many privacy measures, I know.

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Compartmentalisation and threat modelling are the future, I always say. And there are ways to stay full anon, believe it or not, because I have an identity like that in places, just as some of my friends do. There are ways, and it is not necessary to go full anon to live a life. You live a life in different ways, and your threat model depends on how you live, not the opposite. If you are an Instagram user, obviously you are going to lack critical thinking skills and independent views and have any privacy concerns. If you are an iPhone user, you have no regards for your own digital freedom. There are going to be some hardline things, and you have to determine how much to adapt or stay rigid depending on your lifestyle and work. The slider is not easy to adjust, but it is good to know if you can regularly enough.

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I quite agree with this. I am old and retired with many very diverse interests with a fairly massive use of the network. I know the traps that the user can fall into in his conviction of being safe and anonymous and I also know the limits of what is possible to blur his traces…and I know that this is becoming more and more difficult, while the big companies are allowed to brazenly spy on us with the dirtiest tricks. The user’s creed that is as absurd as in the movie Independence Day, of conecting a crappy laptop into the computer of the Alien Mothership, of a race millennia more advanced, to insert a virus. Maybe you are more anonymous than someone who uses Instagram or another Zuckerbot or Google crap, but don’t get your hopes up too much, they can write your resume without problems.

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I am so anonymous that I actively have a choice against most entities, including Big Tech companies, to reveal myself. They only know what is unnecessary and what is irrelevant, from years ago. I achieved what people theoretically type on privacy communities on their iPhones. People that do not make the extra mile effort, are all going to be open books as far as privacy is concerned.

My real life and anonymous identities are disconnected so the résumé scare thing does not work, so I believe and hope less with these things.

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Wrong. There is only 1 major ecosystem in Linux world, which is APT/DEB. Companies cater first to Ubuntu/Debian, then RedHat/SUSE, then Fedora and rest. And Flatpaks and Snaps have solved the dependency problem, and work well with every big distribution,

where is your reasoning behind this? Redhat is used much more widely in the commercial space over ubuntu. Yes ubuntu pushes security patches and other updates rather quicky but to say the whole of linux in the business world is dominated by debian/ubuntu is simply untrue.

Also snap is fucking awful and you’re insane for suggesting it’s a good piece of software. It goes against FOSS principles and you saying otherwise just proves your ignorance. Canonical pushing snap is mostly due to their effort to shift package maintenance away from the distros and onto the developers. It does very little to improve security, which is the whole point of running containerized applications. Not to mention it pretty much locks you into canonical’s ‘snap store’. One of the best things about linux is shared libraries, and snap just shits all over that in favor of shipping libraries with the application, which is exactly how windows works.

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Also snap is fucking awful and you’re insane for suggesting it’s a good piece of software. It goes against FOSS principles and you saying otherwise just proves your ignorance.

I can shit on you 100 times over for being someone who recommends Vivaldi and promotes Windows culture, but I think it is not worth it, because no dialogue with you can convince you of your overwhelming anti-FOSS biases that hurt FOSS community.

Edit: I misread the comment authors, both authors having similar replies and in same nested comment level.

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I can shit on you 100 times over for being someone who recommends Vivaldi and promotes Windows culture, but I think it is not worth it, because no dialogue with you can convince you of your overwhelming anti-FOSS biases that hurt FOSS community.

lol wat? when did i recommend vivaldi? also what the fuck is ‘windows culture’? I’m working in this field and I can tell you that no one would want to add more complexities to their work when it is not necessary, or better yet not appreciated.

You’re advocating snap packages which is completely anti-foss, and is more like windows app store than anything else. I like how you completely ignored everything I said about that. This has nothing to do with FOSS and everything to do with your inability to recognize any viewpoints other than your own.

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I misread and got confused, I am talking to Zerush and you in the same thread and literally replying along the same nested level of comments. I got confused even more since the arguments of both of you are almost 1:1 same.

You have to pick one thing, either pick what works in FOSS community, or what works with Windows. You can lessen the evil with snap, or you can be full NSA evil with Windows with crippled productivity and ads and spyware.

Edit: LMAO such a blind poster downvoting the second I reply

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I’m downvoting you because you are not actually responding to any of the points I make. Also, cope and stop crying about downvotes.

Also, Zerush did not mention vivaldi either.

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We had a dialogue about Vivaldi 2-3 days ago, at length, and we had another one some months ago. You can now stop projecting and crying, because I am laughing at you for the downvote naivety, and cringing at the way you want to not let go of the Windows culture. I was replying here while doing other work and now dinner.

While I am at it, I want to tell that you are one of those people also bringing the disagree downvote reddit culture to Lemmy.

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Have you ever tried to get a business to switch to Linux? Its possible but you would have to convince them to stop using ms office (no,libreoffice isn’t good enough), adobe suite, and a shit ton of other business related applications that could run on Linux but youll be on call 24/7 dealing with small issues and youll eventually realize you made a huge mistake unless they’re paying you twice your rate.

I hate Microsoft more than most but when it comes to stuff like this, Linux just isn’t going to cut it for people who don’t actually like using computers and just do it because its an essential part of their revenue stream. Linux would just cut into that revune and reduce their productivity unless they were 100% committed to using it, for whatever reason.

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Have you ever tried to get a business to switch to Linux? Its possible but you would have to convince them to stop using ms office (no,libreoffice isn’t good enough), adobe suite, and a shit ton of other business related applications that could run on Linux but youll be on call 24/7 dealing with small issues and youll eventually realize you made a huge mistake unless they’re paying you twice your rate.

Businesses have been switching to Linux faster than you can keep track of, and people just RDP for Office or use Office 365 Web. Same for Photoshop, it runs on cloud nowadays or people have separate desktops for Photoshop, on which they keep Windows.

The cases where Linux reduces productivity are far lesser than what Windows ends up doing to people, and this has changed in the past 3-4 years mainly. Windows being more productive is becoming a fringe case, and it is not because Windows itself is better.

Linux is a real world OS far more than you are estimate, and it became so due to forced updates and the kind of bugs that erase people’s files, and updates that take 5 hours.

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So no, you’ve never migrated a business to Linux?

I’m not talking about large companies with an actual IT dept, I’m talking about small businesses that can’t afford to keep a staff of more than one or two IT guys who are also handling stuff like the network, website, DNS, and sometimes even social media. Many of these businesses use services that WILL NOT run on linux (think POS systems and other specialized stuff), whether it is because they dont want to worry about supporting it or just don’t care.

Not to mention using rdp to run office and other stuff pretty much defeats the purpose of moving to Linux since youll now have to be supporting a bunch of Linux desktops AND the windows systems you’re running these applications on. All the while trying to get them to work well together. No thanks.

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Companies can use mostly Linux without problems, because can use the soft they want, not so official sites, like municipal or state administrations, banks, study centers, etc. they have to use what the central offers in the different branches and organizations.

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Are you running such a business? I do not care. And I know pretty well how businesses work, whether they are small startups with 5 people and 8 PCs/laptops, or medium scale with 30-50 people, or large scale.

IT support starts to become complicated when people cannot work on their Windows machines for 5 hours, and companies need to meet their deadlines. There have been thousands and thousands of such cases, not something fringe, especially during the pandemic. It also becomes complicated when people run into dependency hell, and this or that DLL file is missing or crashes. Windows is hell for most people, they are just using it since childhood and accept it like abusive relationship, and because there exist people that like helping sustain this cultural hell.

P.S. I forgot to tell I migrated my college from Windows to Linux, probably more than whatever you have done. Thanks for the downvote, I do not believe in the GrapheneOS/Windows stuff like a worshipper.

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Are you running such a business? I do not care. And I know pretty well how businesses work, whether they are small startups with 5 people and 8 PCs/laptops, or medium scale with 30-50 people, or large scale.

No but I do IT for numerous businesses in this position. I could make the case to switch to linux but if I followed your advice it would just make everything even more complicated, since you suggest to keep running windows but RDP into it.

IT support starts to become complicated when people cannot work on their Windows machines for 5 hours, and companies need to meet their deadlines.

That’s usually due to bad administration. It is very much possible to control when and what updates get installed in a properly configured AD environment. Not to mention these are really non-issues if you have proper snapshotting/backups set up. If a desktop got locked into a five hour update you should be able to easily restore it to it’s previous saved state. Or better yet have run those updates in a test environment first so you know what to expect when you roll them out to the rest of the workstations.

Running windows shit through RDP isn’t migrating to linux, it’s adding linux to a microsoft ecosystem, which just adds another layer of complexity to the system. Small to medium sized businesses have no reason to do this when it will just add more costs to their IT support. Not to mention the people they will need to hire to do this kind of work are going to want a hell of a lot more than they’re willing to pay.

It also becomes complicated when people run into dependency hell, and this or that DLL file is missing or crashes. Windows is hell for most people, they are just using it since childhood and accept it like abusive relationship, and because there exist people that like helping sustain this cultural hell.

I’ve never had any of those issues in a properly maintained environment. I see this happening mostly with end users who install a bunch of crap antivirus that functions more like malware.

Don’t get me wrong, I hate supporting windows environments, but sometimes there’s no better option. You keep saying ‘windows makes it more complicated’ but your suggestion is to make it even more complicated. This does not make sense.

P.S. I forgot to tell I migrated my college from Windows to Linux, probably more than whatever you have done.

Schools/universities are an entirely different story. It is much easier to migrate them to a linux/foss alternative because a lot of their software is written internally. Not to mention education platforms are more open to creating native linux applications as there are much fewer universities in the world than small/medium sized businesses. It’s much easier to teach someone how to use linux when they’re in a place where they are learning new skills, rather than when you’re dealing with people who have been using windows their whole professional lives and are just there for a paycheck. I wholly support the push towards more linux native development for businesses, but when it comes down to it that is just not feasible in most situations (for now). Also schools are more interested in cutting costs and have the resources to do so, which is why linux makes sense for them. Many businesses would rather just pay the money for licensing and support than have to deal with the headache of migrating to a new ecosystem.

Thanks for the downvote, I do not believe in the GrapheneOS/Windows stuff like a worshipper.

dude, what? you are so cringe.

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Windows is a must with few real alternatives (LinuxFX

While LinuxFX is not an alternative to Windows for companies which use it, it’s also not a good OS overall. You’re usually much better off with a proper Linux distribution. See also: Linux is not Windows (been a while since I linked that!)

The computing world is always a search for compromises.

This is certainly correct.

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Agree, I put LinuxFX with question marks, for the reason that it can use some Windows apps, which may allow it to be used in certain cases. But this is basically not too different from trying it on Linux with Wine, apart from the fact that LinuxFX uses some other Windows layers as well. It’s still a bad Chinese Brazilian imitation. ReactOS is another one that tries to offer a ‘Windows’, although also quite limited for serious use, but at least not putting out some distro disguised as the first. Like I said, if you hate Windows, but need to use it, you only have one serious option, which is to use it alongside Linux on dual boot.

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Yeah or something like looking-glass.io.

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Nowadays, you can actually enjoy many titles on Linux without any issues thanks to Valve. If you do not hate Linux distributions, consider checking if the games you play are supported well on Linux, Wine if not native linux or the best option, Steam Proton(basically Wine but optimized for games with many titles running without any issues or any extra manual configuration/patching).
You can also use a Windows VM on Linux like SomeOrdinaryGamers’ Mutahar does on his Arch/Manjaro install.

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Oh well
EDIT: Why are you against gaming in Linux tho?

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I don’t think there could possibly be a logical reason to be against gaming on an specific OS other that they are just against gaming personally.

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Well tbh that just describes almost every group of people, most people don’t know fuck all about anything and want things to “just work.” That is why Apple products are so popular (in addition of course to their advertising team successfully making iPods and iPhones a “status symbol.”)

Tbh I think as these things go on they make people less tech proficient, most kids these days only know how to stream and torrenting things is “too hard” for them.

I for one happen to like gaming on Linux, because it means I don’t have to use windows just because I want to play morrowind, I can just load up openmw and start casting spells. Furthermore just because gaming is possible on linux now does not mean anyone will necessarily switch to it without another reason to if they are technoligically challenged, many see linux as too hard anyway, or just want the plug and wait, er…I mean plug and “play,” that windows supposedly gives them. FurtherFurthermore, with the ability to customize Linux to your hearts content and a multitude of good distros from which to choose, the caliber of users should minimally effect you, if at all.

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There are also very good games for Linux, not all of these seems pixeled 1990 sidescrollers, for Exmpl. this one, OpenSource and multiplatform, that has nothing to envy to commercial games.

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tbh that just describes almost every group of people, most people don’t know fuck all about anything and want things to “just work.”

Exactly, and even those lowly (/s) people should be able to enjoy GNU/Linux.

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Wow gatekeep much? That’s an incredibly ignorant way of thinking.

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Gamers are illiterate about computer (beside RGB LEDs timing), and the worse behavior online (Gamergate someone?)

calling people illiterate because they play video games.

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Your comment reeks of prejudice and ignorance. #notallgamers

Gamers are illiterate about computer (beside RGB LEDs timing)

I literally studied computer engineering and still play computer games. I think at least 70% of my classmates back in uni did.

and the worse behavior online (Gamergate someone?)

Every decent person and gamer dislikes the Gamergate people. I specifically know several leftist hardcore gamers who would dismember a Gamergate troll if they ever laid eyes on one.

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Disgusting response. Shame on you, bud.

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why would we? You started it, we just respond ;)

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At my job we used linux (I have an old pc and I’m still using it) but now the company forced us to use windows.

Result?

Everyone uses wsl2.

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All corporate software is crap and it’s gonna get worse and worse as the need to hold subscribers and users increases. It’s already happening with facebook and other social media making segregates spaces online and it’s only gonna get worse if people start using VR and other shit.

It’s gonna lead to people being completely disconnected from each other unless they use the same service or are part of the same social media. I do not have a good prospect for us if things don’t change drastically when it comes to tech and our use of tech.

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I this I agree, corporate software/service is the right term to difference good from bad soft or service, not if it is FOSS or not, because big compañies also distribute FOSS. In my opinion a soft of a small team or particular dev is very often more thrustworth, even when it’s proprietary, than a FOSS product from Google, M$, Fakebook or Amazon… In the past FOSS was still a certain guarantee, but since these big companies and even goverments took hold of this world with own catalogues and stores (GitHub, GitLab, Google code, etc.), it is not so much anymore.

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I highly suggest you try windows 10 ltsc if you have to use windows. It doesn’t come with any advertising built in but they dont sell it to normal users so youll have to pirate it (oh no).

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For the love of god, listen to this person. Windwos 10 Professional is the second worst version of 10 on the market (first being Home). If you don’t need Microsoft Store, Cortana and other cruft, get Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC. If you do need the Microsoft Store, then you should still avoid 10 Pro and get 10 Enterprise instead.

Because what’s so professional about an ad-riddled start menu?

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I’ve never used Windows NT Workstation, so I really couldn’t say. All I know is LTSC comes with barely anything pre-installed, which is great. Check it out for yourself in Virtualbox. You can easily find the ISO for the LTSC version of Windows 10 on, ahem, “the open seas”. I’ve had good experience with the group called {gen2}. Yes, with the curly braces.

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Here’s a good windows iso repository. All pulled from msdn or whatever it’s called now

https://isofiles.bd581e55.workers.dev

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How do I know that these ISOs were not tampered with by hackers?

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You should go for Ameliorated, if you must use Windows, not LTSC. Ameliorated project is a bunch of open source scripts that you run on a Windows installation to highly debotnet and debloat it, making it free of problems. https://wiki.ameliorated.info/doku.php?id=start

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If there exists source, you can reproduce it. Ameliorated is well vetted by the community for a couple years at this point.

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Can the binary be reversed and checked? That is one method.

A business that can’t work without windows is like a business that can’t work without poverty wages. It deserves to fail and be replaced by someone who actually knows what they’re doing.

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yeah it’s pretty awful lmao. I tried 11 recently, I don’t know how anyone can stomach using it

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It’s even worse than win10. It’s more resuorce hungry.

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Valve is working on the gaming part btw.

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