Designs will be useful for incorporating emoji into apps, art projects, and more.
Helix 🧬
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Cute? Try actually using them. I have nightmares.

Also, they didn’t include the paperclip emoji which is a dealbreaker for me.

QuentinCallaghan
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Clippy is copyrighted so it couldn’t be included.

@imgprojts@lemmy.ml
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📎 this is Paper Clip, Clippy’s useless cousin. He holds paper if you put it in it’s butt. It’s the only thing it does and it doesn’t do it well.

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I thought Clippy was the useless cousin? Paperclips are more helpful in an office environment than Clippy in my experience…

Fun fact: in Germany, Clippy’s name is Karl Klammer.

Another fun fact: Clippy’s real name is Clippit.

@imgprojts@lemmy.ml
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I have to agree. Very true.

@blkpws@lemmy.ml
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It also helps to press “reset” buttons.

Cold Hotman
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Still a better co-worker than Clippy.

Helix 🧬
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I know. It’s even mentioned in the article. They should’ve still designed a non copyrighted version.

Amicese
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…to get people to develop another dependency on Microsoft.

☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆
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how?

Amicese
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By getting people to use architecture that Microsoft owns. It’s what they’re doing with GitHub right now.

☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆
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Please explain what this has to do with the architecture Microsoft owns. The icons are licensed as MIT, anybody can clone them to whatever git hosting service they want.

Amicese
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Microsoft could change their license when enough people rely on their emoji design. It’s what they do to GitHub.

☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆
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MIT cannot be changed retroactively.

Amicese
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Wait really? I thought it could.

☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆
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Licenses would be completely useless if you could just change them retroactively. Whatever was released under MIT will be available under MIT in perpetuity. MS can release this under a different license later or add new things using a different license, but it can’t retroactively revoke MIT license from the content that was already released under it.

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Copyright owner can change the license as they like, they just can’t unrelease what has already been released in whatever license. If it is a permissive license anyone can even make a proprietary copy.

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Right, the point is that stuff that’s already released is perfectly safe in perpetuity.

@hfkldjbuq@beehaw.org
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I replied too quickly. Didn’t read the 2nd+ sentences. But it seems that was exactly OP’s point anyway

Liwott
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Whatever was released under MIT will be available under MIT in perpetuity.

I agree with your general point, but I would have used “can” rather than “will”. They will be available as long as anyone hosts them, but Microsoft has no obligation to host the MIT version forever. (this is not a specificity of the MIT license)

Maybe it would be useful to save them their readme on wayback machine, so as to be able -in case of a future dispute- to prove that Microsoft had MIT’d it at some point.

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First you release something, wait until is widely adopted and then add ways to control users or capture their data, for example host contents on a CDN you control, or add paid extras, or switch license for later releases. All of this examples happened in the past. The good old embrace-extend-lock-in.

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We’re talking about an emoji set released under MIT here.

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Well in the end the purpose is the same. A company does not do that kinda of stuff because they love users unconditionally or something like that.

https://www.gwern.net/Complement

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I clearly wrote “switch license for later releases”

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Yeah, but that doesn’t affect the code that’s already released. If MS releases something in the future under a different license that’s really a separate discussion.

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@Zerush@lemmy.ml
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I don’t know, in Windows you can Pop Up these with Winkey+. to insert them anywhere 🤔

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well that is a convenient way to add emojis, a rare case of windows doing something right :P

they are just regular emojis though, and get rendered by whatever the emoji system set is being used

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There are several things that Windows does well, if it weren’t for the spyware and all the junk that comes by default and that is hard to remove, it would be an excellent OS.

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I personally dislike the UX on Windows. It feels very hodgepodge to me. The spyware and junk is the big issue though. This is why I don’t really like getting invested in any proprietary solutions. No matter how good a piece of software is initially, sooner or later the company will take it in a direction you don’t like because in order to stay profitable they have to chase the mainstream users. As soon as you fall out of that group, the product starts diverging from your needs.

On the other hand, this problem is less of an issue in open source. If the developers take a project in a new direction then it can always be forked as long there are enough people interested in preserving the existing functionality. One of my favorite examples of this is GNOME where it ended up being forked in to Mate and Cinnamon after the big UX direction switch.

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I agree with this, although Windows has many technical advantages. I’m not so much against soft proprietary, but I am against big tech monopolies such as Microsoft, which dominates practically the entire software market. On the other hand, I always hear that Windows is the easiest OS to handle, easier than Linux, which is only true at first glance. Windows allows a huge number of configurations with more than 200 configurable points, but intentionally very hidden and poorly documented, inaccessible to normal users without great computer knowledge, but that allow to turn it into a fast and private OS, eliminating all this garbage. MS tolerates it, because its main income is from its software, generally quite high prices and less from Windows as such, at least not until now. The thing will probably change with Windows 11 in the near future, where the company intends to limit access to third-party software, it is more by appropriating the entire system, avoiding or hindering the installation of another Operating System, rather than under the Windows layer. This is why I think that Windows 10 is going to be the last Windows for somewhat more thoughtful users. In stores here you can see more and more that they sell PCs without OS (with FreeDOS), leaving it to the user’s choice.

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Proprietary software should be treated as being fungible. It can be useful, but I don’t want to end up being locked into into having to use it. That means that I don’t want to use it for any situations where it would be difficult to replace or where I wouldn’t be able to easily extract my data from it.

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It depends, surely you know for example IrfanView, a freeware proprietary sot for decades, without an alternative to match (it’s an app for Windows, but it works without problems on Linux with Wine). For years I have also been using the SSuite, on and offline suite, a product of 2 brothers as a hobby, made with their own money, they earn their money with an electrical installation workshop. The apps are a delight, it even includes its own search engine, Groot, with its own engine, all this private, without ads, without registration and anonymous, put as freeware.

☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆
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As I said, I find proprietary software can be useful. I use proprietary apps myself, but I always want to make sure I have a migration path from these apps. If the vendor goes out of business, or changes their business model in a hostile way such as putting adds in the app, etc. I want to be able to stop using it.

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There is always the possibility of having to migrate to alternatives, either because the manufacturer goes bankrupt, changes the business model or belongs to one of the thousands of obsolete, neglected or abandoned FOSS. My goodness, the number of times that I have changed the software and the OS in the quarter of a century that I use computers, no one is spared from this. Regarding IrfanView, which I took as an example before, it is still in good health, although I have finally replaced it with a FOSS app that is the closest to this viewer, although only partially, Nomacs - Image Lounge, which has the same functions, except for the ability to play multimedia files and some secondary functions, but for this I already have VLC. But as I say, in near future I have to regress to IrfanView, because the Nomacs project seems abandones and the official web has expired.

You can still download it in Sourceforge and Github

https://sourceforge.net/projects/nomacs/

https://github.com/nomacs/nomacs

☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆
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Incidentally, I’ve been using DigiKam for photo management. It’s pretty nice.

@Zerush@lemmy.ml
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Yes, there are a lot of imageviewer out there, but none of these are feature rich as IrfanView. Through all the years is still without a real alternative, not even Nomacs, whic is the closest and half death.

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Once you get used to a piece of software it is a pain to switch your workflow to another for sure.

@Zerush@lemmy.ml
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True, but as I said, this can happen with any software sooner or later. Sometimes it can be a shame, but the computer world is like that.

@imgprojts@lemmy.ml
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Probably something insidious. Something totally shitty evil barely legal that their lawyers worked on for a good 200 man years over a period of 3 months.

@lisko@sopuli.xyz
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kawaii

@Zerush@lemmy.ml
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😎👍

Sr Estegosaurio
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Now I need to figure out how to use them on linux… I may hate M$ but I like the emojis.

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