browsing through All has so much pro-fascist posts coming from lemmygrad that it drowns out all the other instances. Iām surprised theyāre even federated by default but we should have an option to block instances from All if lemmy is deadset on federating with them just because they are fascists with a red and yellow flagā¦
(before the Tankies start posting about how they arenāt pro-fascism āFascism is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement, characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the good of the nation and race, and strong regimentation of society and the economyā which all describe the Z movement in Russia they gleefully support in multiple posts)
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Never gonna happen
I say theyāre the same ape in disguise
youāre back, interesting
Feds got new funds, guess war pays well
Lmao, thatās the funniest thing i read all day.
Not to mention you can do it. Click on settings, there will be a tab āblockadesā. Write what you want and voila you wonāt have to rack your brain ever again with concepts that make your imperialist programmed brain too uncomfortable.
I would recommend getting back to reddit though.
honestly, this is a leftist space, not one with people who source wikipedia for political opinions
Nothing stops you from running your own instance and federating with whatever instances you want from it.
They think that Lemmygrad and Russia are āfascistā for supporting denazification in Ukraine.
This is your brain on western propaganda.
Nothing stops you from hosting your own: Tor node, Instance, VPN, Server, Email domain, front-end, insert anything that moves responseability to the individual so I donāt have to listen.
Iām not the one moaning about what servers Lemmy federates with here.
Actually some things are stopping that
Thereās always reddit for people who guzzle western propaganda out of a firehose.
Typical extremist retort.
Muh centrism
Ah you do realize thatās not what centrism is
No extremism allowed! If you are currently being oppressed because you are, like, disabled or something, NO fighting against establishment! Only dying allowed!
Youāre right, thatās not centrism. It is conservative.
Iām a leftist, and you are nothing but a nationalist reactionary
How in Leninās name are you left? You have only spouted the most insane right-wing rhetoric and conspiracies.
You are a conservative, i am not a nationalist, i hate my country
Just because itās for another country doesnāt mean itās not nationalismā¦
The only country I would die for in any patriotic sense died in 1991
well there is the DPRKā¦
Nationalism and leftism are not incompatible, if you think they arenāt then youāve got a lot of theory to read because you must also be against every single anti-colonial movement that has ever happened in history, you must also be against Palestinian liberation, you must also have been against Irish liberation, etc etc etc.
You must do class analysis on the character of a thing before you demonise it. One form of nationalism is nationalism with a bourgeoise class character - america, britain, the entire west. Another form of nationalism is nationalism with a proletarian class character. Supporting proletarian nationalism is good, supporting bourgeoise nationalism is bad.
National liberation movements and decolonialism has relied HEAVILY on proletarian nationalism and unless youāre going to advocate that those things have been bad and youād prefer massive genocides then you should pretty much shut the fuck up and stop demonstrating how little you read.
Extremely good.
This would also describe America.
So unless you want to ban all liberals and supporters of America (which would mean you) you need to tighten your funtionally useless definition of fascism. You should start by reading an actual book and learning the history of fascism.
When you misuse the word fascism to describe things that are not fascism you mis-educate huge wide swathes of people on what fascism actually is. In doing so you HELP actual fascists rehabilitate their ideology. You are helping fascists by calling something that is not fascism, fascism.
no one on any instance is cheering on anything the US does especially not its occupation or invasion of any countryā¦
Iām not cheering it on either. Some elements of the left are, some arenāt. Thatās ok. I can understand some of our younger marxist-leninists getting caught up in it. The vast majority of MLs are quite critical and reflect a position closer to Cubaās official statement on the matter.
What I critically support is what brings the fastest end to the bloodshed of the people. That right now is a swift victory because clearly the west wants Ukraine to sacrifice the entire population in a war that it can not win, for the interests of the US. I would much prefer for negotiations to happen immediately and for things to stop right now but that clearly is impossible as the political opposition to the war within Ukraine has been entirely suppressed by the far right, all anti-war parties have been banned, and all tv channels that do not push a pro-war position have been closed. The only narrative that exists is the drums of war, and this makes it completely impossible to negotiate an end to the war.
weird that you think ukraine should just accept āswift victoryā by the fascist Z army but dont think cuba should just accept āswift victoryā by the US or Palestine by Israel etcā¦
none of the countries should accept āswift victoryā by those invading and trying to commit genocide against them. You should unequivocally stand against imperialism but you dont because right now the ones invading wave a flag you like.
Genocide? GENOCIDE? REALLY?!
Do not equate the infighting and bickering of nationalist anglos to that of actual invasion or genocide.
honestly what is with the Z symbol? The only symbol I devote any time to is this one:
Thatās not what is happening and only an idiot or a person that genuinely wants to help real fascists would say this, which is what I suspect you actually are but I will humour the bullshit anyway for the sake of whatever audience might come across this.
When you misuse words like fascism and genocide you help the people who are REAL fascists and performing REAL genocides by muddying the meaning of these terms in the understanding of the wider public. You harm opposition to real genocides.
Misuse of the term genocide is also acknowledged to be a form of soft holocaust denial. Calling something a genocide that does not actually reflect the very real horror of what genocides really are is extremely harmful to the real sufferers of genocide.
Invading a country is not imperialism and this war was not started on imperialist grounds. Imperialism is an economic system, an elevated form of capitalism (the highest stage) in which finance-capital has evolved to such a point that it has seized control of the state and directs all of its actions. This war started due to longstanding security issues between nato and russia that could not (or would not) be resolved by either side coming to a head because Ukraine was the subject of a coup in 2014 that sparked a civil war that was ongoing for 8 years before Russia stepped in.
But this is all besides the point. I donāt give a fuck about the states involved. I care about the people. You are advocating for something that will kill many many tens or hundreds of thousands more people in order to defend a state. I already acknowledge that all of the states involved are bad, states are bad and states do bad things, thatās literally why Iām a communist and seek a world in which we can abolish states entirely.
I support whatever scenario brings about the lowest number of casualties to the people, whereas you support sacrificing the people to protect the state. You support this because it aligns with US interests. You genuinely do not give a fuck about the real human lives involved and the fact that you pretend to is quite frankly disgusting to me.
Fascism is (ā¦) which all describe the usa, which has oppressed most of us all our lives long. Anyone who works against the usa works against Fascism.
And this is why no one should trust anything the usa says. Or their media. Or their vassalsā media.
You are an even worse one than the othersā¦
where did you come from?
I support this feature. But Wikipedia is not an authority on what fascism is. The dictionary attempts to describe the usage of a word in this case as it relates to an objective phenomenon. Before we can attempt this description, an understanding of the objective phenomenon must be had. We can rely on definitions for understood phenomena like water, jogging, or birds. But what exactly fascism is is a hotly debated topic, not a well understood phenomenon that we hold absolute knowledge and certainty of. Even your dictionary source admits it is a characterization of fascism, not exactly a definition.
A conservative will reason discursively that Hitler was a leftist, because the Left can be defined as more government, so Fascism is far left. In the same way, that buzzfeed employee could argue their own view of what misogyny is. To them, when a man spreads their legs in public, this is the sexist act of manspreading.
What these people (and you) are doing is taking a word that has a strongly negative connotation, arguing for an expanded categorization of this word in an attempt to rub off that connotation on something else. But all this succeeds in doing is devaluing said word.
Fascism has a negative connotation because its consequence was the death of 60-100 million people. That has nothing to do with Bernie supporters wanting to give people free healthcare. The āmore governmentā connection (what even does āmore governmentā mean?) has to be proven more than circumstantial. Likewise, sexism has a negative connotation because of rape, women in the past not having basic rights like the right to vote, etc. But a man letting his balls get some air has nothing to do with that, even if people find it a little rude.
They have algebraically replaced a world phenomenon with a term, much like a mathematician replaces a quantity with the letter āXā on paper. Then they have discursively reasoned using the term, not the phenomenon. You can find the length of a squareās side from the root of the area. We have a square that is 4 cm2. So what is ā4? Math tells us that it is Ā±2. So a square in real life can have a negative length? This is the lunacy that you will accept with analytical reasoning if you do not understand its premises.
So instead of lazily giving us a definition full of nebulous terms, why not prove to me that any similarities between modern Russia and the Fascist countries are more than circumstantial? What is the unity behind these particular examples? All states are militaristic. All states suppress real opposition. Authoritarianism is no realer than the boogeyman. Russia does not have a āstrong regimentation of societyā so youāre just flat out wrong there.
someone downvoted your post before there was even time to read it lol
lmao
Libs gonna lib
What? Are you saying authoritarianism is not a real thing?
That is correct
Please explain
https://psychology.fandom.com/wiki/Authoritarianism
Random link but seems to explain it well.
That is a psychology wiki article about authoritarian personality, not about authoritarianism.
What most people mean by authoritarianism is a form of government. You are an anarchist right? You would agree the state is just the way the ruling class asserts its position, and that all states have this monopoly of the legitimate use of violence. If thatās what a state is, how can one state have more of a monopoly than another? A monopoly is a monopoly. However you see it, the class in power rules absolutely. No state is more authoritarian or libertarian than any other.
you think china is fascist, opinion ignored
When did I say that?
sorry, must have been someone very similar
147 (now 148) comments on this crap. Why is it we canāt seem to get a liveley discussion like this but on a topic that isnāt some crybaby infighting?
Really feels like some reactionary bait that lemmygrad users are swallowing whole.
I think so too, but the alternative would be to let their message stand. What do you suggest otherwise?
Ban their instance? :P
But seriously how about just dont take the bait
bahhhhhhhh fine I wonāt comment here anymore
Yes please! I have nothing against Lemmygrad, but I also donāt want them to overwhelm everything else from my All feed. Please let us block entire instances, not just communities.
The easiest solution for now is to join us at beehaw.org or our friends at sopuli.xyz or midwest.social. We block lemmygrad and put much care in moderation
as If we arenāt on there from the beginning
I think the point is that this shouldnāt be necessary. Individual users should be able to filter out entire instances without having to jump to an entirely new account.
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The easiest solution for now is to join us at beehaw.org or our friends at sopuli.xyz. We block lemmygrad and put much care in moderation
Seems to me this is the whole point of having a decentralized platform. Instead of people moaning how they donāt agree with the way a particular instance is run, they can join another instance or run their own. This post is about @nxlemmy@lemmy.ml being upset that people see things differently from them, and trying to police that.
that is not a solution. the main mastodon instance didnt continue to federate with gab etc and tell people to change instances. because the default instance shouldnāt federate with pro-fascist instances. We shouldnāt federate with them by default and if lemmy.ml is deadset on federating with them because they hide their fascism under a communist flag users should atleast be able to block the instance
Uh, lemmy.ml admins blocks fascist instances.
Canāt block itself though
Ah yes, supporting the death of fascists and the extermination of their ideology from humanity makes me a fascist
how very smart of you!
look at how much lemmygrad defends and promotes fascism via supporting the Z army\war etc. itās a pro-fascist and anti-anarchist instance that isnāt blocked and is taking over the all section with their pro-fascist propaganda.
Uh, pretty sure they ban Nazis at the door. Also how the hell are they āpro-fascistā?
Westerners really need to learn what fascism actually is.
Did you read the post? Or any of my comments in the thread? They constantly support the Z army and their invasion of ukraine. The current government of Russia ticks every box in the definition of Fascism, outlaws being gay, decriminalized domestic abuse, and funds far-right and christian nationalist fascists around the world like the US did to Latin American countries dozens of times.
every principled communist can be anti-anarchist
We ban fascists, we are anti anarchist
One of the biggest, if not the biggest benefits of federation is that you can easily change administrators while staying on the same network.
Only Gargron wants to run a flagship instance. Lemmy devs have made it very clear their instance has certain specific purposes and that they donāt intend it to be the main instance. Iām just wondering if we should remove the invite-request friction for a little while in Beehaw and Sopuli to take the weight off of lemmy.ml and so that the admins there can keep federating with Lemmygrad if they really wish.
It would probably be best to recreate some of the communities made in lemmy.ml elsewhere and actually contribute there. I really think your best bet is to just contribute elsewhere.
Itās not a default instance and comparing a communist site like lemmygrad to a site utterly dominated by actual fascists like gab is the stupidest thing Iāve seen this week.
Currently thereās this message coming from admins that lemmy.ml is no longer flagship instance.
I totally support blocking instances but while this feature is unavailable, we can help build new flagship instance.
Iām sorry if I sounded too rush, it is indeed not a solution, just a workaround for current situation.
Anyways, thank you for raising important questions, cheers
This is the solution. If you are wanting to block a whole swathe of content youre on the wrong instance.
Actually that is the solution. lemmy.ml wonāt block lemmygrad because the same people are behind both so the two instances are together. Even if you block lemmygrad there are users who know itās blocked and so they make accounts on lrmmy.ml where they know theyāll have a larger audience and also sympathetic admins will back them up. Here you canāt tell the truth about any communist government past or present.
Lemmy was designed to be federated. Federation is the main solution to these types of problems. Nobody needs to feel like they have to use lemmy.ml
However I also agree with your feature request. It would be useful.
we are telling the truth about them, you just spout propaganda
This comment section makes my phone lag lol
Tbh this is basically my problem, too much political content, Iāve blocked all the sublemmies I can but seeing that the default user experience isnāt this streamlined is a big problem I have for not recommending Lemmy to anyone.
I see it as a divide between people who want to enjoy tech/privacy version of Reddit, and people who want it to be Twitter but their own tribe, this goes for Wolfballs, and Lemmygrad.
tech/privacy is political. if you donāt understand that youāre probably too privileged to notice or care.
You are correct and something doesnāt add up
Imagine, lemmy.ml claims to be about privacy but supports the PRC, which is like the most anti-privacy organization on the planet.
No, that would be the NSA
Theyāre #2
No. Google, Facebook, Apple, Microsoft, ā¦
So the NSA AND a bunch of corps are spying on us? Thats obviously less worse than just the state monitoring your comās.
Seems much worse to me since the corps donāt just give your data to the government, theysell it en masse for advertising purposes.
Thatās all tied under US surveillance. The PRC has its social media operations and tech companies too. Basically everything you hate about the USA, they are doing it too
They are not flying over half the globe to murder people there. They do not murder the poor. They do not create neonazis. They do not exempt the rich from laws. They do not let people die from covid. They do not force people to have a car. They have a no first strike nuclear policy. They do not have school shootings. They do not have police that protects school shooters. They do not have hollywood. They do not have melon husk. They do not have a history of genociding a whole continent. They banned bitcoin mining. They did not create facebook. They do not have 100s of military bases. They did not privatize their space sector.
This is not entirely accurate, but you are right that they havenāt developed to that stage yet of invading countries on the other side of the world, but if the power level gets high enough thatās exactly what will happen. USA was also where China is at now and it took a while to get to that point. China has its own version of some of the things you mentioned, and some other things that are not pleasant. Your optimism that China will be a better hegemon than past ones in history is sadly naive.
You lack any and all material understanding because your hatred of russians and chinese blinds you. Those are also conveniently people the usa has demonized for decades. You accuse the chinese of things they did not do, but could do, THAT THE USA ALREADY DID!
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I canāt get a job here and you accuse me of team sports?
How is that relevant? If China were the global hegemon and not the US you still wouldnāt have a job
Wrong
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You mentioned living under the US government, but now I understand better what you meant.
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Youāre right I forgot
What are you talking about? USA didnāt get to this point the same way China did at all. China got to where it is without doing anything to anyone, without using slavery, without using foreign exploitation, with entirely their own means.
The US was built by literal slaves, and the mass exploitation of the entire world. How the fuck can you say the US wasnāt built on foreign exploitation when MILLIONS of actual literal slaves were exploited to construct it? What the fuck kind of white western chauvinism is this?
Itās utterly nonsensical to compare the rise of the two. One has clearly risen on its own means without being remotely like any other rising power that has ever existed in history while the other is one of the biggest monsters to have ever existed.
Actually according to the UN China is still using slavery. I agree China didnāt do all the bad things America has done yet, but does some and will do more. Itās the nature of power and wealth. China is already exploiting foreign lands, as I live in one of them. There are other inaccuracies in what you wrote but this much suffices.
I did not claim anywhere what you wrote in your second paragraph. Just throwing out āwhite western chauvinismā is absurd. What kind of nonsense is this?
Stop fetishizing and othering China by claiming itās exceptional and angelic. Itās just a normal country like any other and the issue is not Chinaās rise, it is what its politicians will do after the rise thatās important.
cite where the UN said that.
No it isnāt, no such resolution has taken place and no body of the UN has made that claim, you are literally talking complete and utter bullshit. You should stop getting your information from reddit comment sections and start actually fucking reading.
The fact that you would make this claim when UN High Commissioner for Human Rights visited Xinjiang just a few weeks ago and gave a glowing report is utterly hilarious. Do you actually pay attention to any official sources at all or do you only get your information from what other white people vote into your sphere of visibility?
Islamic envoys from 30 countries all disagree with you. Why do you believe white people on the topic of muslims instead of listening to what muslims actually have to say? Are you going to dismiss them in favour of your US propaganda? Youād be dismissing the ENTIRE muslim world on the topic of muslims which would be yet another incredible demonstration of white western chauvinism and racism.
And lmao @ this. China just announced that it has fully cancelled 23 loans to 17 African countries. Such exploitation! Such debt trap!
It was in fact reported by the UN. As for the claim that Muslims approve of the treatment of Uyghurs in China that is false. The envoys you mentioned are not Islamic and do not represent Muslims.
No it fucking wasnāt lmao. Good luck finding it to prove it.
Holy fucking shit. You are literally just lying now, backed into a corner you just make shit up.
The entire muslim world supports China and opposes this western propaganda. Literally every single muslim country. The only people that perpetuate this bullshit are the white western countries. This should tell you something but instead youāre a racist who will just dismiss the muslim countries in favour of your white nato propaganda.
China passed new data privacy laws that are as strong as Europeās GDPR at the end of last year, when is the last time America improved data privacy instead of harming it? Their data protection is much much stronger than Americaās and much like europe they dump fines in the millions on companies that break it now. Itās arguably stronger than europe.
I donāt see how that stops the stateās mass surveillance programs
The US government has backdoors into every single US-based tech platform (which is basically all of them) and youāre concerned about China doing mass surveillance?
You are under mass surveillance. Five Eyes and other intelligence sharing alliances are a means of circumventing national privacy laws, the US has Britain do mass surveillance on US citizens and then that data is shared to the NSA and stored, the US does mass surveillance on British, NZ, Aus citizens and then that data is shared to them and stored by their intelligence services. The collective west has the largest and most comprehensive global mass surveillance apparatus in the world and yet youāre utterly obsessed with China. Why? Five Eyes, Nine Eyes and itās now all the way up to Fourteen Eyes.
Take off the propaganda goggles and look at the immense proportions of the western apparatus first. You seem to be utterly blind to the fact everything you see about China is MASSIVE projection from the west who are 20-30 years ahead of China in terms of this apparatus.
And to answer your question, Chinaās law does not exempt the government. They require a warrant to access that data unlike in america and parts of europe.
Your whataboutism is pretty useless. China also uses its tech companies for spying. Chinaās mass surveillance program is larger and more ambitious. If anyone has been duped by propaganda itās you.
āWhataboutismā. Bruh.
If you say something is bad you are INHERENTLY making a comparison to other things. You can not call one thing bad without benchmarking it against other things and gauging a comparison of a range of good to bad.
It is important to benchmark this because it highlights unexamined chauvinism, sinophobia and internal hypocrisy that you have. You have an extreme emotional reaction to anything Chinese and make the claim theyāre horrific but you donāt actually compare the reality of the west with what China is. You claim they are the worst, you have done this multiple times in the thread, this is YOU making the comparison to others so OF COURSE Iām going to examine whether your comparison is remotely accurate.
I will end this interaction by pointing you to this list of US atrocities, managed by Dessalines himself.
Tell me again how China is the worst one here.
Do you spend this much time attacking America? Or the rest of the west? No you donāt. Despite the fact they are objectively and measurably worse. Because youāre a chauvinist that has never done one ounce of self crit or examined your own contradictions.
Iāve criticized America much more than I ever criticized China. You are hypocritically collecting lists of US crimes and not Chinese crimes. Hmm I wonder why you neglect that. Oh yes confirmation bias.
Anyway your assessment of me is baseless. Keep harping on that dumb claim that I hate China.
When? I donāt see that in any of your history. I see a lot of whining about everyone except the west.
All of your energy is spent on enemies of nato and none of it is spent on the biggest and most horrible entity in the world. Itās very obvious where your allegiances lie.
thats a lie, you do the obligatory āamerica badā but then put all your energy into anti-china comments. Just like every other neolib
Yeah, I just browsed all for the first time in a while, and its just lemmygrad. First post is about how Russia is āliberatingā Ukraine. Literal fascists.
Oh god here we go again. Calling Russia, a country that just wants itās borders left alone a fascist. Meanwhile calling NATO, a organization from the same country that filled Ukraine with Nazis, wholesome democratic fighters.
Your comment is factually incorrectā¦ Russia has been expanding its borders for a long time and Ukraine wasnāt the first violation. There is a war now because Russia violated Ukraineās borders.
Ukraine is also not full of Nazis. Some exist, but they are few in number. Russia has more crazy right wing fascist types than Ukraine does and the Russian government actively encourages this. Putin is a type of right wing nationalists dictator.
Sources?
lol you need a source for this?
Uh, yeah. Those are some bold claims about countries that you probably have never been to.
Right like Russiaās invasion of Ukraine is a āclaimāā¦ ? I understand why you would assume Iāve never been to this part of the world, but I do in fact live here. The place I live is basically a Russian colonial asset, and China has started colonizing it recently too, although Chinese culture is not yet very influential here. Because of where I live I experienced first hand the right-wing conservatism that Russia exports, and has exported since the time of the USSR, that Russians are a superior nation, a superior white race, have a superior language and culture, that Asians are subhumans, that homosexuals are evil, Jews are evil, and so onā¦ people are forced to go to nationalist rallies and marches, adore their āleaderā, and all that wonderful stuff. You donāt even want to know the fucked up stuff that goes on in primary schools, where most of this stuff starts. Anyway I could go on but Iāve never seen fascism as up close in my life than when I moved to the Russian sphere. Iāve had neighbors ādisappearā, coworkers going into hiding after the police saw them at a political rally and then came to their workplace, and more. You would never want to live here just stay in North America or Western Europe or wherever it is Lemmy communists are from. You can play make-believe with your first world communism, but over here in Asia itās a different story. I was surprised when I moved here I thought the local communist party would be some kind of progressive organization and then I found out itās a bunch of conservatives who want Russian colonialism to be revitalized.
You do realize Russia is part of asia, right?
Yes, but itās a white supremacist culture. Russian national identity is based on the notion that they are white Christians who defeated evil gay Asian invaders and saved their sacred white European nation in the process. You can see this clearly in Russian media like in the movie Kolovrat where the Mongol villains are depicted as gender queer.
In Russia not all people in Russia are called āRussanā. The people there who look Asian, particularly if they have black hair or look non-white in any way are called churka, the Russian equivalent of n****r, or gypsy. People who canāt speak Russian are subject to abuse, like if you speak an Asian language in Moscow you might get told to āspeak humanā. I could go on but you get the picture.
are you just insane or willfully ignorant?
so it invades another country, and promotes insane nationalism where supporters spray paint their Zwastika on homes of people who are against the warā¦ Russiaās ruled by a government that made it illegal to be gay in public, essentially decriminalizes domestic abuse against women, and funds far right nationalist around the world (like the U.S. did to ruin almost every Latin American country in the past). If you had any friends living in Russia youād know its currently ruled by dictator who promotes far right christian nationalism even if you didnāt believe all the āCIA propagandaā from western outlets.
Russias enemy is a country that flies to the other side of the globe to oppress and murder. No matter how bad russia is, usa is 10x worse.
Just making a flag comparison, donāt know why you care
they also have a community dedicated to brigading other websites which seems like it should violate TOS
if it werent for all the stars on their instance it would be difficult to tell them apart from a MAGA forum
Violate which TOS? Reddit TOS? This is lemmy.
Iām saying it should probably be against lemmy TOS to brigade other websites
Iām going to assume youāve lived your entire online existence on non federated platforms. There are no āTOSā for the fediverse and each instance is free to federate with whichever instsces they choose.
Start your own instance and federate with whichever instances interest you.
Why?
Check the most recent post from it
we have not used that in literal years
Oh, you little fed. You have to be a fed. No one is this intentionally ignorant
Sadly some people do this without getting good pay and a cool badge.
And people ask me why Iām cynicalā¦
At least for now, there are really just a small number of communities on lemmygrad that contain the most obnoxious material. I found that it worked to block: