@OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml
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In a six-month experiment, people who received cash transfers of $10,000 generally reported feeling happier than people who did not receive the payment.

Lmao

@Moonraker@lemmy.ml
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I’m shocked.

@haych@lemmy.ml
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No shit, in a world where people are struggling to afford housing and food money made them happier, I’m shocked

Amicese
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in a world where people are struggling to afford housing and food money made them happier

Also known as western capitalism.

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It’s obvious that money can buy happiness because you can spend money to pay other people to do things you don’t want to do, freeing you up to spend your time the way you want.

@Stoned_Ape@lemmy.ml
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You can still be extremely unhappy if you think that you don’t have enough money to do the things you think you want to do. That’s the point of such studies. But this particular study is flawed - there’s no control group, and the participants know what is studied, and the participants give literally only self-report. There’s not much to gain from this. Honestly sounds like money laundering.

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Money doesn’t guarantee happiness, but the example I gave clearly removes unhappiness from your life. Having more freedom in your life obviously makes it easier for you to be happy. Under capitalism, money can be used to buy such freedom.

@pingveno@lemmy.ml
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Or to put it another way, having sufficient amounts of resources reduces stressors and removes obstacles.

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exactly

@Stoned_Ape@lemmy.ml
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I did of course understand what you are saying. What I said is still valid. For what you say to work, you have to be in the position to use your free time to be happy. For some people, this works out. Other people are still unhappy because they need more money to buy the things that they think will make them happy.

If free time would be the only thing, nobody in Germany would work - welfare covers everything you need for a decent life. But, here we are: People are working hard to be more happy - well, they’re trying, but it mostly doesn’t work out.

I know a person who wakes up crying because she is so poor. She has a lot of time, because she pays people to do her stuff: They have a person doing the garden, a person doing kitchen and housework stuff, and she has a personal assistant for her work. She is is a freelancer that works as a consultant for lawsuits. Apparently, this is very well paid, because - at most - she does 10 hours per week, and still earns enough money so that they bought a second Italian stainless steel coffee machine for their second floor in their house. You know, an actual coffee shop machine, cost 2k.

And yet, she is crying at night for being so poor. This is not a joke, and not a bullshit story. Even money and free time still doesn’t lead to happiness.

It’s really weird, but that’s how it is.

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As I said, money alone doesn’t guarantee happiness, but it sure as hell makes it easier to pursue it It’s not just free time either, it’s the resources to spend it in the way you want. If you’re rich and you have an interest, then you can spend money to invest in the tools and education you need to pursue it. If you’re poor then you cannot. Money also means that you’re free from want and never have to worry about meeting your needs.

@Stoned_Ape@lemmy.ml
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This seems to be some kind of miscommunication. As I said, I understand what you’re saying. I’m adding to what you’re saying. I’m not disagreeing with you.

Money also means that you’re free from want and never have to worry about meeting your needs.

That, however, is something that I do disagree with. If we’re talking about basic needs, nobody in Germany would work. The welfare is waaay better than people in Germany make it. Germany is fucking rich. The life as a welfare person is quite good in comparison to the rest of the planet. Most people on this planet would very much LOVE to have as much as people on welfare in Germany have.

But the reality is that most people want to work. So if we’re talking about basic needs, that doesn’t seem to play a role - at least in Germany, because Germany is incredibly rich, and in comparison, welfare people of course have “less”.

That’s the point: Enough is not enough when other people have more. Which tells us a lot about the perception of being happy.

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I think we are talking past each other there. You’re talking about people wanting to be productive and to have meaning in their lives. This is completely tangential to the point I was making. Being free from having to meet your basic needs doesn’t in any way preclude you from being productive. It just means you have a much greater freedom to choose what type of work you will do. This in turn means that you will be happier because you will be able to invest your energy into something you have a passion for. On the other hand, a person who has to focus on meeting their basic needs does not have this luxury. They must take whatever work they can get in order not to starve.

@Stoned_Ape@lemmy.ml
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You’re talking about people wanting to be productive and to have meaning in their lives.

That’s not the kind of people I’m addressing here. Most people hate their job - but don’t stop doing it.

It just means you have a much greater freedom to choose what type of work you will do.

That’s not how it is in Germany. Most people hate their job, and a fair share of people even think their work is generally useless, and they wouldn’t do it “if they wouldn’t have to” - which they don’t, but as I said, they still continue to do it.

If that sounds illogical, that’s correct - that is the point I’m making.

I very much agree that doing what you love makes you happy. That’s something that is always true.

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That’s not the kind of people I’m addressing here. Most people hate their job - but don’t stop doing it.

Yet, you don’t generally see rich people doing jobs they hate.

That’s not how it is in Germany. Most people hate their job, and a fair share of people even think their work is generally useless, and they wouldn’t do it “if they wouldn’t have to” - which they don’t, but as I said, they still continue to do it.

The question is whether these people would feel they had to do their jobs if they were rich. A large part of why people feel they need to work comes from the social stigma of being unemployed. If they weren’t worried about being judged by others I imagine vast majority of these people would quit the jobs they hate.

@Stoned_Ape@lemmy.ml
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I’m sorry, but you’re disagreeing for the sake of it. I’m not sure why, but with what you’re saying - you’re essentially making my point more detailed and useful. Again - I’m not disagreeing with you, yet talking with you sounds like some kind of struggle against each other.

I’m not sure if I remember right, but I think we already had a similar situation. Maybe you should consider what I said about disagreeing for the sake of it. My younger self sometimes was like that, and I hate myself in retrospect for that. I’m also forgiving myself - now that I can be easier torwards myself and others.

Maybe I’m wrong about that, though. Might be. Peace.

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I honestly got an impression that you were disagreeing and I was trying to clarify my point. Peace.

@imgprojts@lemmy.ml
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I need 10 million to test the theory.

@altair222@beehaw.org
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For science

@giordano_bruno@lemmy.ml
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This pretty much meshes with an older study that said individuals become happier up to an income of ~70k, after which it plateaus. It makes sense – at 70k you can comfortably cover regular living expenses. Being poor is stressful.

@onlooker@lemmy.ml
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Money may not buy happiness, but it certainly doesn’t hurt.

@Zerush@lemmy.ml
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Can money make you happier? It can be, especially if you forgot your credit card.

I am always amazed at what nonsense scientists spend time and money

Ji Fu
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@Zerush @OptimusPrime @science cuz it ain’t their money. It’s usually your money via a publicly funded university

Helix 🧬
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for six months

But will they feel happier a year later?

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