Similar, I’m assuming gmail is a no go? I feel like theoretically it should work but it’s not. However, this may be because I’m using elest.io -> docker, but something’s fucked up with my domain’s SSL and it’s signed by itself. It gives the browser a big huge 'ol unsecured warning, so I would assume that because that’s messed up it’s causing gmail to not accept it? I’ve opened a ticket with them, so eventually maybe I can figure out if that’s the case, I’ve never had a problem pointing namecheap domains to anything before.

It says this, but I assure you, the password is correct.

lemmy_server::api_routes_websocket: email_send_failed: permanent error (535): 5.7.8 Username and Password not accepted. Learn more at5.7.8  https://support.google.com/mail/?p=BadCredentials [long chain of numbers and letters I'm not sure matter] - gsmtp

The settings

  # Email sending configuration. All options except login/password are mandatory
  email: {
    # Hostname and port of the smtp server
    smtp_server: "smtp.gmail.com:587"
    smtp_login: "crystals.rest.lm@gmail.com"
    smtp_password: "[the password]"
    # Address to send emails from, eg "noreply@your-instance.com"
    smtp_from_address: "crystals.rest.lm@gmail.com"
    # Whether or not smtp connections should use tls. Can be none, tls, or starttls
    tls_type: "tls"
  }

I also did start stattls and that didn’t work. Tried swapping ports around, nope.

edit: fixed the ssl issue with elest.io, they just had a configuration wrong, but tbf lemmy support was added literally yesterday

second edit: I just didn’t use gmail and instead made a zoho mail account that worked out after a lot of setting up

I’ve been wavering back and forth for a little bit. I just know the kbin plays nicer with lemmy than lemmy plays nice with kbin when it comes to discovering remote communities. Being a remote community, I wanted to make sure it’s easier to be off site, but I did just find an easier install with lemmy (I will try this) so we’ll see how that goes

Yeah the codeberg iirc just lists a set of commands with no idea what you’re doing, so it’s very hard to know if you’ve done something wrong. Usually I would do that, and then edit and look up things as I go, but that was the biggest deadend I’ve ever had. Though, the recommended server provider’s interface, slowness, and bugs wasn’t impressing me, I’d really love if they could make a droplet. (and selfishly a droplet with something that has more options for US servers)

I usually persevere through difficult setups if it’s denying me access or a setting didn’t get flipped, but the whole thing just crashing and debian no longer booting is uhhhhhh. Welp.

I tried to start a kbin instance today and I literally ended up corrupting or deleting debian off the VPS.

So look I’m tryin’ but uh…give me a little time.

Where has that been proven legally?

Where are algorithms considered as being new and legally allowed derivative works in relation to visual works of art?

Translation: (1) Text and data mining is the automated analysis of one or more digital or digitized works in order to obtain information, in particular about patterns, trends and correlations.

(2) Reproduction of lawfully accessible works for text and data mining is permitted. The reproductions must be deleted when they are no longer required for text and data mining.

(3) Uses pursuant to subsection (2) sentence 1 shall only be permitted if the rights holder has not reserved them. A reservation of use for works accessible online is only effective if it is made in machine-readable form.

None of that says anything about creating profitable derivative work. In fact is specifies patterns, trends and correlations, which does not lead me to believe it is protecting visual works created from this data, those kind of things are only used to inform things, like information science.

Yeah, AI can totally exist and be useful, but currently it’s in the hands of tech dudes and admins who have a terrible track record with developing things responsibly and over hyping and masking flaws. It’s used to make a profit at the colossal detriment to humans. It’s used to hurt us currently, not help at all.

I think the training data from reddit probably only used the API because it was easier and free. And if no longer free, there’s nothing pointing to them actually paying for it. It’s not like reddit is the only data, they very much likely already have web scrapers for other uses that they can just tune for reddit.

Could you please point me to legal definitions, in court or otherwise, that say it is not violating my copyright license to directly use my artwork in any shape or form for a non-fair use product? As in, a service you pay money for to create things based on the training data it has taken from me, is not fair use. Or point me to the legal definitions where I lose my copyright by posting things online? Allowing to scrape is not the same thing as giving derivative copyright license permissions. You aren’t disagreeing with me, you’re disagreeing with my legal rights.

they are just watching and learning Why is it treated so differently

Because it isn’t human. It isn’t watching and learning, it is being fed my creative content as data that I have not allowed nor have been compensated for, which is then turned around and sold as a service. My work is being consumed for commercial uses by an inhuman who does not have fair use education rights, with the sole intent to create a profitable product, and I’m getting nothing. I have legal rights, no matter where I post my work, to retain my copyrights and I have the right to not consent to improper use of my works that do not align with the licenses I have chosen to give it. Websites ask for a licenses in their ToS to be able to even just display and share my artwork when I upload it. When I create an image, I am given ownership of it’s copyright to control the use, distribution, and right to create derivatives. This isn’t a fuzzy area, it’s very clear. If an artist did not consent to their artwork being used as training data for a non-fair use reason, it is stealing their works.

And no, it’s not fair use under education. Copyright exists for human protection and uses. It isn’t being used for ‘learning’ it’s used as data to be repackaged and sold. Google’s use of it showing up in search is to link back to posts that contain my work, retain my copyright, and are not derivatives. If you mean by captchas, yeah capchas are pretty bullshit.

And circling back to my original post. So? AI companies aren’t paying for their image training data, so why would they pay for reddit’s api?

Reddit/Lemmy are link aggregators with a forum-like comment and post structure. Mastodon/Twitter are microblogging platforms. You go to someone’s blog to read their thoughts, in the context of themselves, and everyone choosing to follow would like to keep up to date with their going ons/niche interests. You go to a forum to read discussions, on a specific topic, in a (somewhat) more organized fashion, and will recognize the regulars in regards to their discussion contribution.

On Mastodon/Twitter, you follow people. On Reddit/Lemmy, you follow topics. You can follow hashtags on mastodon, and you can follow people on reddit, but in general, the philosophy of what you would do with these platforms is different. These both can work together on the fediverse, and in general, social media, because a post on either isn’t much more than text and images with some categorical tags/filters. The technical specifications aren’t that much different, so they can be applied in the same space.

However, I feel like lemmy and mastodon aren’t going to see as much interaction with each other for this reason. It’s possible, people have already been demonstrating it, but I’ve tried browsing a community from mastodon and it’s just not inductive to how that UI/strategy displays long form comment chains. I mean mastodon itself doesn’t even create a visual indicator of comment chains. This isn’t exactly a terrible downside, I do like mastodon and used twitter a lot, but I go to lemmy and mastodon for different reasons, as they were created for different purposes!

I’d rather there be a dedicated instance to archiving subreddits rather than populate current communities with old stuff. (As in, probably could do this to more than just selfhosted) Read only, if lemmy even works that way, but federated so people on lemmy can link to it and read in app easily. We shouldn’t let reddit hold the keys to useful historical information that has been gathered over the years, I feel it needs to be self-hosted and mirrored, but forging a new community culture I think is better than direct baggage from reddit.

I was using DuckDuckGo and it was giving me pretty ‘eh’ results, only marginally better than google on the surface level, but both weren’t really usable for deep older searches. (and ddg starting to add sus ads/promoted) Brave is better, but Kagi has been fantastic when I’ve really needed to find something specific, technical, or very old. I think the best way to come about the pricing structure and limited search results is that I think it’s not supposed to be your only search engine from then on. There are times when you need what kagi gives in terms of producing quality and relevant results, and times you just wanna search “[company name] reviews/is a scam?” that using kagi wouldn’t serve you better than anything else, so it’s more of a tool that you bring out when you aren’t finding what you need with free search engines. On it’s own page it doesn’t try and oversell you on it, they admit that the majority of people don’t need paid search most of the time.

I haven’t approached if it’s an early netflix thing where you could split the bill with others for one login/family plan, that might make it more feasible.

The best part is that everyone can win! It doesn’t matter if one is more popular than the others, they all contribute to each other.

edit: I mean those in federation, if that wasn’t clear

I mean AI is already stealing all art and images on the web without paying anything. They could just literally scrape and pay nothing. Web scraping isn’t illegal, they already do it, why would they pay anyone? Unless the law catches up about the rights to manufacture AI content based on ill-gotten data, then why would they pay what they don’t have to?

Well yeah, but splitting winnings is secondary to actually winning. With the amount of people who religiously avoid sequential numbers, I guess you’d have less odds for picking it with someone? 'Cause at least here, the quick lotto ticket where they pick numbers for you avoids sequential numbers for this very brain worm that isn’t true.

People believe that picking 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 as your lottery ticket numbers is insane, because that would have a insanely low/lucky chance of being picked like that. If all numbers are chosen randomly, it is the same chance. No matter any combination of any numbers chosen, 1 ticket has 1 in 13,983,816 chance of being the jackpot numbers. (For US Powerball, specifically)

I don’t know if the headings are what people actually said to him or not, but it’s very sad to see him beat up about just trusting what people who he’s had a fruitful 8 year relationship with say. The blame shouldn’t be on him for being positive about what to him, had been a perfectly acceptable long-standing business relationship. The fact that he can eat this cost and said he’ll be fine means that he wasn’t simply being blind to the realities of the world/

Foon to me is the sound of a pool noodle being thrown.