I agree, but I comment regarding that down here which is something that might interest you: https://lemmy.ml/post/70181/comment/61392

I think there would need to be done a fork or a new project from scratch to have the potential for something that can have success in the mainstream.

Thanks! One of the sad things about discarding Lemmy is that I’ll miss people like you and some of the others that have have helped me out in the cooking group or whatever else.

Edit: And in another setting I’d possibly be more of a positive influence. I’ve been apart of a lof of famous communities and such, and been a part of building them up. If Lemmy was different you’d probably see much more of groups like !artanddesign@lemmy.ml !liberalnews@lemmy.ml and so on.

No one is going to bat an eye against what I said. They’ll maybe call it immature or mean. But no one is going to care or think I’m a bad person. It’s like calling republicans basement sewage.

I’m not some idealistic being either, i’m just a genuine real person that speaks up against the horrors of the web. And because of it more people have become aware of the state of things on Lemmy.

Now the hate mob has had enough time to mobilize. Got so much upvotes before. smh

I understand

An additonal thing from the earlier post

I’m not going to discuss anything in the thread, but I’ll explain a bit.

A) How does it’s developers affect the project and code

The problem is that the developers represent the software they are making. If they push anything or behave any way externally to the masses it’s going to reflect on Lemmy. But how Lemmy is set up also affects it’s ecosystem. With the ecosystem being how it is will mean the major community can make hurdles for other instances. The flagship instance is also where most people will end up, which means that most of the community will be on the flagship instance which the developers control, and all the biggest groups will also be on the flagship instance. This gives a lot of power to a group of developers I’m not sure will act in my best interest.

B) What do you mean in the political realm

Yes, this is tricky. Particurarly for us from Scandinavia. But I mean in terms of a extreme left even in Norway and Sweden. They’d be like like excluded from the red party in Norway and the equivalent in Sweden. I consider these what is called ‘tankies’ which I’ve never really met before now.

And with tankies I’m working with this definition:

A hardline Stalinist. A tankie is a member of a communist group or a “fellow traveller” (sympathiser) who believes fully in the political system of the Soviet Union and defends/defended the actions of the Soviet Union and other accredited states (China, Serbia, etc.) to the hilt, even in cases where other communists criticise their policies or actions. For instance, such a person favours overseas interventions by Soviet-style states, defends these regimes when they engage in human rights violations, and wishes to establish a similar system in other countries such as Britain and America.

The term is used to distinguish the rare individuals with these kinds of beliefs from communists more broadly (including Communist Party members), whose adherence to Soviet doctrine and attachment to existing “socialist” states is somewhat weaker.

It is always more-or-less abusive in the sense that those termed tankies do not use the term themselves, but it doesn’t have any particular bite (unlike, say, Trot).

The term derives from the fact that the divisions within the communist movement first arose when the Soviet Union sent tanks into communist Hungary in 1956, to crush an attempt to establish an alternative version of communism which was not embraced by the Russians. Most communists outside the eastern bloc opposed this action and criticised the Soviet Union. The “tankies” were those who said “send the tanks in”.

The epithet has stuck because tankies also supported “sending the tanks in” in cases such as Czechoslovakia 1968, Afghanistan 1979, Bosnia and Kosovo/a (in the case of the Serbian state), and so on (whereas the rest of the communist movement has gravitated towards anti-militarism). I wouldn’t be surprised if the tankies even defend Saddam Hussein.

Some of the people round George W Bush used to be left-wing, but they haven’t really changed their views much; they were mostly tankies.

I agree with this. Although I believe the developers and flagship instance might be in the way of adoption of Lemmy as well as for instances that are set up by people, which I elaborate more on here: https://lemmy.ml/post/70156/comment/61375

I’m not going to discuss anything in the thread, but I’ll explain a bit.

A) How does it’s developers affect the project and code

The problem is that the developers represent the software they are making. If they push anything or behave any way externally to the masses it’s going to reflect on Lemmy. But how Lemmy is set up also affects it’s ecosystem. With the ecosystem being how it is will mean the major community can make hurdles for other instances. The flagship instance is also where most people will end up, which means that most of the community will be on the flagship instance which the developers control, and all the biggest groups will also be on the flagship instance. This gives a lot of power to a group of developers I’m not sure will act in my best interest.

B) What do you mean in the political realm

Yes, this is tricky. Particurarly for us from Scandinavia. But I mean in terms of a extreme left even in Norway and Sweden. They’d be like like excluded from the red party in Norway and the equivalent in Sweden. I consider these what is called ‘tankies’ which I’ve never really met before now.

And with tankies I’m working with this definition:

A hardline Stalinist. A tankie is a member of a communist group or a “fellow traveller” (sympathiser) who believes fully in the political system of the Soviet Union and defends/defended the actions of the Soviet Union and other accredited states (China, Serbia, etc.) to the hilt, even in cases where other communists criticise their policies or actions. For instance, such a person favours overseas interventions by Soviet-style states, defends these regimes when they engage in human rights violations, and wishes to establish a similar system in other countries such as Britain and America.

The term is used to distinguish the rare individuals with these kinds of beliefs from communists more broadly (including Communist Party members), whose adherence to Soviet doctrine and attachment to existing “socialist” states is somewhat weaker.

It is always more-or-less abusive in the sense that those termed tankies do not use the term themselves, but it doesn’t have any particular bite (unlike, say, Trot).

The term derives from the fact that the divisions within the communist movement first arose when the Soviet Union sent tanks into communist Hungary in 1956, to crush an attempt to establish an alternative version of communism which was not embraced by the Russians. Most communists outside the eastern bloc opposed this action and criticised the Soviet Union. The “tankies” were those who said “send the tanks in”.

The epithet has stuck because tankies also supported “sending the tanks in” in cases such as Czechoslovakia 1968, Afghanistan 1979, Bosnia and Kosovo/a (in the case of the Serbian state), and so on (whereas the rest of the communist movement has gravitated towards anti-militarism). I wouldn’t be surprised if the tankies even defend Saddam Hussein.

Some of the people round George W Bush used to be left-wing, but they haven’t really changed their views much; they were mostly tankies.

It’s not nice, it’s not convinient. No one but old school enthusiasts use IRC and they get thrown off using kiwi. It’s not enough having a nice graphical assety in a chat. It has to build on the communication strategy and branding strategy. It has to have an experience where you feel welcome.

I consider the whole IRC netwo0rk very bad in this regard and don’t have much of a future

yeah, if they made a discord copy or something that is opensource and decentralised it would be much better.

I’m not old enough to have used IRC for years. I’ve used every once in a while and thought it was cool to try a old technology like that. But when I found out people are happy with the current state of IRC it quickly soured, the same as when I got to talk with people in XMPP world.

I’ve used KiwiIRC, but it is terrible branding, terrible most things that got to do with drawing people in.

IRC isn’t made for anyone but people but people like yourself. And insisting to use such a technology is excluding more people than it is including. Like how many non-programmers use IRC? none, none at all.

https://kiwiirc.com/

this is not acceptable to push for a organization if you want the organization to be gathering more than pure enthusiast people from the 80s and 90s, which is a very small demographic.

Not really. People expect this and that from software and you have to play into that. IRC is antiquated and dying

If you want libre software to be a part of mainstream society you have to work for a group grander than just programmers. Continuing to use IRC is killing the community in the longrun in my opinion.

Edit: IRC is for most people 15-20 years older than me something they used when they were kids and never want to go back to. Pople younger than that aren’t nostalgic enough of accept how it works to use

cool

In mind with what other people here are saying. Pushing matrix/element for stuff like this would be much better for the community. GNU and FSF still using IRC just sets up so only like hardcore oldschool enthusiasts that can get engaged in the movement which is a group that will die off pretty soon.

and the bridge stuff is not a viable option either. Or if so I’d like to see matrix bridged with IRC with matrix being main-

(I love XMPP but I don’t really see it happening and pushing XMPP is like pushing IRC at this point)

Okay, that’s good to hear. Thanks for that

Okay! Will be interesting to see what will be done. But I feel the downvotes has a significant impact on my posts or other people’s posts. I’m also lucky to have people constantly vote me up too.

Good idea

@ajz@lemmy.ml (trying to answer both of you at once)

I feel like this doesn’t solve the problem though. The voting system is what gives Lemmy utillity as groups can filter through great content that makes groups useful for discovering things. If the alternative is just to disable voting it means the voting-system is busted which is unfortunate.

That is a good suggestion!

Although this will still be a problem for groups. It would mean that everyone using that group would have to do the same because the voting system is abused.

I’m not trying to confuse people. I’m trying to figure out a better name, and thought ‘better world news’ would distinguish from world news while also implying that it is an alternative to world news. I don’t see why anyone would be mad or how I’ve done anything wrong.

I had to change last time because a lot of drama, I feel like I can’t really do anything without it becoming big drama by joker. It’s very annoying to be honest. I haven’t done anything for a long time now.

Right now I feel there is just litterally a vendetta and that I am brought up for no reason at all for anything I do. Every little thing is like gone through at the last detail hpoing to find anything to ban me for. I think people have to start evaluating how they are acting and that if people want less drama this stuff needs to be cut. I’ve quite literally stayed out of anything and just apologised for being notised

I am banned from worldnews anyway, so i don’t have much of a choice but to use my time on liberal news instead.

But I think it will be a better group that worldnews anyway.