Researchers found CSAM within five minutes of searching Mastodon.

Not a good look for Mastodon - what can be done to automate the removal of CSAM?

    • mindbleach@lemmy.world
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      2 years ago

      4.1 Illustrated and Computer-Generated CSAM

      Stopped reading.

      Child abuse laws “exclude anime” for the same reason animal cruelty laws “exclude lettuce.” Drawings are not children.

      Drawings are not real.

      Half the goddamn point of saying CSAM instead of CP is to make clear that Bart Simpson doesn’t count. Bart Simpson is not real. It is fundamentally impossible to violate Bart Simpson’s rights, because he doesn’t fucking exist. There is nothing to protect him from. He cannot be harmed. He is imaginary.

      This cannot be a controversial statement. Anyone who can’t distinguish fiction from real life has brain problems.

      You can’t rape someone in MS Paint. Songs about murder don’t leave a body. If you write about robbing Fort Knox, the gold is still there. We’re not about to arrest Mads Mikkelsen for eating people. It did not happen. It was not real.

      If you still want to get mad at people for jerking off to the wrong fantasies, that is an entirely different problem from photographs of child rape.

      • balls_expert@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        2 years ago

        Okay, thanks for the clarification

        Everyone except you still very much includes drawn & AI pornographic depictions of children within the basket of problematic content that should get filtered out of federated instances so thank you very much but I’m not sure your point changed anything.

        • mindbleach@lemmy.world
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          2 years ago

          If you don’t think images of actual child abuse, against actual children, is infinitely worse than some ink on paper, I don’t care about your opinion of anything.

          You can be against both. Don’t ever pretend they’re the same.

          • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
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            2 years ago

            Hey, just because someone has a stupid take on one subject doesn’t mean they have a stupid take on all subjects. Attack the argument, not the person.

            • mindbleach@lemmy.world
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              2 years ago

              Some confused arguments reveal confused people. Some terrible arguments reveal terrible people. For example: I don’t give two fucks what Nazis think. Life’s too short to wonder which subjects they’re not facile bastards about.

              If someone’s motivation for making certain JPEGs hyper-illegal is “they’re icky” - they’ve lost benefit of the doubt. Because of their decisions, I no longer grant them that courtesy.

              Demanding pointless censorship earns my dislike.

              Equating art with violence earns my distrust.

              • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
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                2 years ago

                Perhaps. But pretty much everyone has a stupid take on something.

                There’s obviously a limit there, but most people can be reasoned with. So instead of jumping to a conclusion, attempt a dialogue first until they prove that they can’t be reasoned with. This is especially true on SM where, even if you can’t convince the person you’re talking with, you may just convince the next person to come along.

                • mindbleach@lemmy.world
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                  2 years ago

                  Telling someone why they’re a stupid bastard for the sake of other people is not exactly a contradiction. You know what doesn’t do observers any good? “Debating” complete garbage, in a way that lends it respect and legitimacy. Sometimes you just need to call bullshit.

                  Some bullshit is so blatant that it’s a black mark against the bullshitter.

  • whatsarefoogee@lemmy.world
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    2 years ago

    Mastodon is a piece of software. I don’t see anyone saying “phpBB” or “WordPress” has a massive child abuse material problem.

    Has anyone in the history ever said “Not a good look for phpBB”? No. Why? Because it would make no sense whatsoever.

    I feel kind of a loss for words because how obvious it should be. It’s like saying “paper is being used for illegal material. Not a good look for paper.”

    What is the solution to someone hosting illegal material on an nginx server? You report it to the authorities. You want to automate it? Go ahead and crawl the web for illegal material and generate automated reports. Though you’ll probably be the first to end up in prison.

    • Dubious_Fart@lemmy.ml
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      2 years ago

      Thats a dumb argument, though.

      phpbb is not the host or the provider. Its just something you download and install on your server, with the actual service provider (You, the owner of the server and operator of the phpbb forum) being responsible for its content and curation.

      Mastadon/Twitter/social media is the host/provider/moderator.