There are substantial privacy and civil liberty issues with DuckDuckGo. Here they are spot-lighted:
torsocks dig @8.8.8.8 mx duckduckgo.com +tcp | grep -E '^\w'
==> ââŚduckduckgo-com.mail.protection.outlook.comâFor the record, this is how Tor Project responds to criticism about their loyalty toward DuckDuckGo (their benefactor) in IRC:
18:20 < psychil> if torbrowser is going to be recommended, it should also be open to scrutiny. in the absence of that transparency, you create an untrustworthy forum.
18:20 < psychil> weâve seen a loyalty from TB toward duckduckgo, but DDG is in partnership with Verizon, Yahoo, AOL et. al.
18:21 < psychil> all CISPA-sponsoring companies
18:22 < psychil> if ppl choose to trust them fair enough, but this trust shouldnât be pushed on every user weighing their choice of browsers
18:26 -!- mode/#tor [-b psychil@!@*] by ChanServ
18:27 < YY_Bozhinsky> psychil: i am using Tor (thanks to Tor Devs)⌠PLUS brain - good bundle. I am happy. And please, donât rush to change Reality (do it slowly with love and respect). Because itâs home for many ppl. They construct their lives in it. Think twice before ruining that. Please.
18:27 -!- mode/#tor [+b psychil!@] by ChanServ
18:27 -!- psychil was kicked from #tor by ChanServ [wont stop the FUD]
Indeed, Tor Project is notoriously fast to censor any discourse (no matter how civil) when it supports a narrative that doesnât align with their view / propaganda.
Privacy has become a very important issue in modern society, with companies and governments constantly abusing their power, more and more people are waking up to the importance of digital privacy.
In this community everyone is welcome to post links and discuss topics related to privacy.
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much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
Update?
The updated article is here:
http://techrights.org/2021/03/15/duckduckgo-in-2021/
There is too much censorship & shenannigans like concealing censorship from modlogs to trust lemmy.ml anymore. I just saw a post about how the admins removed a community creator and quietly put someone else in control.
Looks like uBlock Origin is blocking some of these requestsâŚ
They also need to supply your IP address in order to serve geo-specific search results, which they do for the Bing API, effectively passing on your PII with every search.
And I believe that privacy on the Internet does not exist. And this is my main argument. In the modern, indexed model of the Internet, privacy is impossible. https://utopia.fans/privacy/the-myth-of-the-privacy/ Yes, you can use privacy tools, which to some extent reduce the vulnerability of personal data, but this is still not an option. It has long been proven how global corporations hunt for our data and make money from it, and besides, the hacker community hunts for them, because they can then be sold on the darknet.
Anyone has an opinion on startpage.com? This would be the best alternative imho.
I would recommend MataGer as they are a non profit and have their own crawlers.
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This has inspired me to start testing out Searx as my default again.
I love searx but instances keep getting taken down, or results not coming back from the main sources.
I was considering self-hosting my own SearX instance for personal use. Not going to lie though, I really do enjoy the aesthetic customization of the JS ver of DDG, which SearX seems to lack. But I could be wrong and just havenât toyed enough with it? As far as results, I canât say how different they are to DDG. I probably will switch to SearX for a little and see how I like. Can anyone comment on the aesthetic customization part though?
I think the fact that it isnât open source is enough to try to avoid it.
Does anyone know a âgood enoughâ open source alternative to duckduckgo ? I know there is yacy but the last time I tried it was disappointing. But maybe I donât know how to use it :grinning face with sweat:
What about qwant.com? They do have their own index and are based in Europe, out of US privacy violating agencies. Not open source sadly. But I have been using it for about a year and the results are great.
SearX and MetaGer are open source. I find MetaGer reasonably okay for my searches (I was not too happy with SearX instances results). YaCy is also open source (Java based) and as a bonus it can be used for local search.
I just wish both of them had a more polished UI, so I could better recommend it to normies. MetaGer is a little better in this regard, but none of them come even close of startpage and DDGs in the normie appeal category, which just makes harder for people that arenât 100% devoted to focus on privacy to switch.
YaCy is utter junk, even with basic searches it barely brings any results.
This thread does an interesting comparison:
https://lemmy.ml/post/29179
YaCy is a crawler. Itâs a great tool for supplying your own search engine to the public, but end users will find searx nodes more practical.
NB: Canât believe I had to register here with an e-mail address to comment about privacyâŚ
Problem I have with searx is it does no regional searches at all - I just canât find what Iâm looking for in my own country. Results seem to be .com results. I see a Github issue was opened for that about 4 years ago and is still open.
I notice that DDG does allow users to set their search method to POST requests and support redirects to prevent search leakage. Partly the problem of browser and OS etc identity is our own browsers that are sending this info? DDG does do good regional search too.
So my big challenge is give me a metasearch engine that can at least do regional searches. For someone living in the US they probably donât have a problem with âglobalâ results, but outside the US we need results for locally in Botswana, South Africa, Egypt, etc and language is no good to filter on.
Supplying an email address on Lemmy used to be optional. Has that changed?
I think thatâs determined by the searx instance. Some instances let you choose your UI language, as well as the results language. You can also do âsite:deâ if you want to search *.de sites for example.
Why would POST prevent leakage? As long as the site is HTTPS, the query is encrypted regardless of whether itâs HTTPPOST or HTTPGET.
Nope, still optional. Tho you canât reset your password without it.
If you care about censorship then why did you escape Reddit for Lemmy of all the alternatives?