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@dansup looks like a feature suggestion š
Peertube version here, that one can also comment with their Lemmy account !
ā² tilvids.com/videos/watch/b578bā¦
Interesting video, but the title (and the conclusion) is quite ridiculous. Of course we have no proof that all mass comes from interactions, especially not an experimental one. This is also true when speaking about āmost of matterā, given that we donāt even know what most of the universe is made of.
Moderation on the fediverse seems to be quite a fashionable topic those weeks š See for example the latest thread in a serie of @roko 's
I think the point might be that your Mastodon instance does not federate (yet) with my Friendica instance. Donāt know about @Awoo though as you seem to have already interacted with Lemmy
It is something one can do in their browser. For example in Firefox I use this extension. In Fennec F-droid I can directly do it from the āsearchā preferences.
See this thread (from Lemmy, click the ārecycleā kind of logo):
(solved)Why cant i comment in other instances?
I would like to comment this post
lemmy.eus/post/5671
but asks me to log in. I am logged in in my instance and although I see people from āmyā instance commenting there too, when I try to log it says it does not find my account. Do I have to create an account in this instance first? What am I doing wrong?
You are projecting what you consider bad to the majority of users.
I did not use any definition of ābadā here. I said that people staying there is not a sign of their superiority wrt federated network. The preexisting large userbase suffices to explain why it keeps being large.
They are not staying there because of ānetwork effectā, they are staying because their āfew basic functionalitiesā are satisfied.
Except that the few basic functionalities (posting, commenting, reacting, following) are not what sets them apart from their federated counterparts.
And when they look for alternatives, federated social media will always be inferior to centralised solutions.
You are stating this like a fact, yet you have not explained what the big advantage of centralization is. You actually start from the hypothesis that centralisation is the core thing that everyone wants, even needs.
You have become the same thing you wanted to destroy.
Yes, and that went pretty fast. A few comments ago the majority of users were the developpers themselves, and suddenly they are a crowd whose fate is decided by a restricted elite.
Again, what is your better alternative?
I meant that the people who actually make use of federation are almost exclusively programmers. The rest of the users donāt benefit from federation.
Curious to see what numbers you are basing yourself on. I think most users use federation, as in communicate with users on other instances. As a fapsi.be user, donāt you mostly communicate with users from other instances?
Itās okay to let a few hands hold all the power, as long as their interests align with ours. Your philosophical disagreement with this concept has very little effect on reality.
What effect on reality does your agreement have though? If you want to trust benevolent dictators to stay benevolent and choose benevolent successors, letās agree to disagree.
Thatās not what i said,
It was suppose to be an example to the statement :
Why do you think all of the Fediverse has the same boring demographic of privalaged keyboard warrior programmers pretending like they are leading the revolution against big tech? And why is it that whenever another demographic arrives as refugees, they immediately demand defederation or die out immediately?
Lemmygrad donāt want to defederate from a population of ākeyboard warrior programmersā, they want to defederate from ālibsā, by which they actually mean anyone that is not both ML and anti-west.
As long as big tech can meet the needs of people, they will keep using their services.
Except that, because of network effet, people will keep using the service no matter how bad it becomes, as long as it keep a few basic functionalities? I use Facebook, not because I like the way it is, but because:
What is implied in your message is that is people keep using the service, it means it is a good one, as if there were no other constraints. How is this not an apology of capitalism?
The majority of the people donāt have any problem with this, why should they change their ways because some nerds decided that making a facebook account is a sin?
The majority of people donāt see a problem in capitalism either, does it mean one should stop advocating against it.
Facebook is a company that harvests usersā data and attention, under the hood of some social networking capabilities. Having a facebook account is not a sin, but it is exposing oneself to that, as well as pressuring oneās friends into doing the same, as I mentioned above. Federation aims at providing alternative for that.
(e.g., ads; users want as little as possible, big tech wants the maximum). If you want to solve the problems of users, you should first figure out irreconcilable contradictions like this
The fact that all successful big tech apps have ads is not because nobody had the idea of providing alternatives that are lighter in ads. It is because at some point they reached such a big size that network effect would be sufficient to keep users there anyway. Is your solution to that just hoping that someday one platform will be created that will be free of ads even when it reaches such sizes?
Federation aims at that, by allowing to build a big network without a single person being able to impose marketing choices over the whole network
Related thread started by @humanetech a few days ago
ā² @humanetech@mastodon.social:
The AI Art Apocalypse. Is the future for many Artists looking bleak, with AIās like DALL-E 2 on the rise?
alexanderwales.com/the-ai-art-ā¦
Hacker News discussion: news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3ā¦
See this related idea by @roko , where admins can block instances, but the user can unblock them for themself
I do not understand what makes centralization analogous to industrialization rather than to centralization of the means of production.
the real source of the supposed freedom that federation gives is open source.
What is the point of being able to replicate the software if you cannot use it to connect to your friendās network?
In fact, federation is what enable to centralize the network (arguably the mainstream mediaās strength) without having to centralize the power (arguably their misdeed).
If, in your opinion, the problem of big tech is not the centralization of power within a few hands, please explain what it is.
The Fediverse has no real users except the developers themselves
The Fediverse has 5 millions of users. I donā t think more than 100 of them are developers.
you can checkout hexbear.net which runs an older version of lemmy without federation, they are just as active if not more than lemmygrad (very similar userbase) the only difference is that they donāt have to deal with the inherent problems of federation
Sure, if the goal is to build a filter bubble, then having to communicate with external users can be a problem. To add to this:
well i guess you missed the latest drama on lemmygrad where they where asking to purge all the liberals from lemmy.ml.
Lemmygrad users do not complain about the rest of the Fediverse speaking only about tech and federation, they complain about them disagreeing with their view.
In your example, you are assuming that the Facebook userbase actually cares about the messaging protocol.
When did I say anything of the sort? Why would they have to drop a functionnality just because a lot of people do not care about it? Before, people with no Facebook account could communicate with Facebook users via XMPP. Now they have to create a Facebook account for that. Facebook did not remove the feature because it was convenient for some users, they did it to trap more users in. This is the thing people want to escape with federation.
I think you are abusing the word āad hominemā here : the words she uses to describe techie freedom enthousiasts are quite hard, but she does have a point that the Fediverse is mostly made of them, as opposed to the more general audience of centralised platforms.
In fact, I am getting much more āad hominemā vibes from your comments.
On Friendica, all you need is to !-mention the community where you want your post to appear