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Cake day: ots. 15, 2022


On Friendica, all you need is to !-mention the community where you want your post to appear

A cars specific instance would be my go to option in this scenario though.

This only offers one level of depth though. What if you want c/cars/imports/asia and c/cars/imports/europe for example?

@dansup looks like a feature suggestion 😀

Peertube version here, that one can also comment with their Lemmy account !

Interesting video, but the title (and the conclusion) is quite ridiculous. Of course we have no proof that all mass comes from interactions, especially not an experimental one. This is also true when speaking about “most of matter”, given that we don’t even know what most of the universe is made of.

Moderation on the fediverse seems to be quite a fashionable topic those weeks 😄 See for example the latest thread in a serie of @roko 's

I think the point might be that your Mastodon instance does not federate (yet) with my Friendica instance. Don’t know about @Awoo though as you seem to have already interacted with Lemmy

It is something one can do in their browser. For example in Firefox I use this extension. In Fennec F-droid I can directly do it from the “search” preferences.

See this thread (from Lemmy, click the “recycle” kind of logo):


(solved)Why cant i comment in other instances?

I would like to comment this post
but asks me to log in. I am logged in in my instance and although I see people from ‘my’ instance commenting there too, when I try to log it says it does not find my account. Do I have to create an account in this instance first? What am I doing wrong?

You are projecting what you consider bad to the majority of users.

I did not use any definition of “bad” here. I said that people staying there is not a sign of their superiority wrt federated network. The preexisting large userbase suffices to explain why it keeps being large.

They are not staying there because of “network effect”, they are staying because their “few basic functionalities” are satisfied.

Except that the few basic functionalities (posting, commenting, reacting, following) are not what sets them apart from their federated counterparts.

And when they look for alternatives, federated social media will always be inferior to centralised solutions.

You are stating this like a fact, yet you have not explained what the big advantage of centralization is. You actually start from the hypothesis that centralisation is the core thing that everyone wants, even needs.

You have become the same thing you wanted to destroy.

Yes, and that went pretty fast. A few comments ago the majority of users were the developpers themselves, and suddenly they are a crowd whose fate is decided by a restricted elite.

Again, what is your better alternative?

Which “Lemmy app” are you talking about?
1st step : make sure that the devs of the app in question are aware of the problems that you want to be fixed.

I meant that the people who actually make use of federation are almost exclusively programmers. The rest of the users don’t benefit from federation.

Curious to see what numbers you are basing yourself on. I think most users use federation, as in communicate with users on other instances. As a fapsi.be user, don’t you mostly communicate with users from other instances?

It’s okay to let a few hands hold all the power, as long as their interests align with ours. Your philosophical disagreement with this concept has very little effect on reality.

What effect on reality does your agreement have though? If you want to trust benevolent dictators to stay benevolent and choose benevolent successors, let’s agree to disagree.

That’s not what i said,

It was suppose to be an example to the statement :

Why do you think all of the Fediverse has the same boring demographic of privalaged keyboard warrior programmers pretending like they are leading the revolution against big tech? And why is it that whenever another demographic arrives as refugees, they immediately demand defederation or die out immediately?

Lemmygrad don’t want to defederate from a population of “keyboard warrior programmers”, they want to defederate from “libs”, by which they actually mean anyone that is not both ML and anti-west.

As long as big tech can meet the needs of people, they will keep using their services.

Except that, because of network effet, people will keep using the service no matter how bad it becomes, as long as it keep a few basic functionalities? I use Facebook, not because I like the way it is, but because:

  • all my IRL friends are there
  • some job announcements appear only there

What is implied in your message is that is people keep using the service, it means it is a good one, as if there were no other constraints. How is this not an apology of capitalism?

The majority of the people don’t have any problem with this, why should they change their ways because some nerds decided that making a facebook account is a sin?

The majority of people don’t see a problem in capitalism either, does it mean one should stop advocating against it.

Facebook is a company that harvests users’ data and attention, under the hood of some social networking capabilities. Having a facebook account is not a sin, but it is exposing oneself to that, as well as pressuring one’s friends into doing the same, as I mentioned above. Federation aims at providing alternative for that.

(e.g., ads; users want as little as possible, big tech wants the maximum). If you want to solve the problems of users, you should first figure out irreconcilable contradictions like this

The fact that all successful big tech apps have ads is not because nobody had the idea of providing alternatives that are lighter in ads. It is because at some point they reached such a big size that network effect would be sufficient to keep users there anyway. Is your solution to that just hoping that someday one platform will be created that will be free of ads even when it reaches such sizes?

Federation aims at that, by allowing to build a big network without a single person being able to impose marketing choices over the whole network

off-topic : Not sure you’ve noticed since you pasted the link, but this was actually a quote-sharing of your post. On Mastodon or Lemmy, the kind of “recycle” logo links to your post.

Related thread started by @humanetech a few days ago


The AI Art Apocalypse. Is the future for many Artists looking bleak, with AI’s like DALL-E 2 on the rise?


Hacker News discussion: news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3…

#art #artwork #artist #AI #DALLE #poll

See this related idea by @roko , where admins can block instances, but the user can unblock them for themself

I do not understand what makes centralization analogous to industrialization rather than to centralization of the means of production.

the real source of the supposed freedom that federation gives is open source.

What is the point of being able to replicate the software if you cannot use it to connect to your friend’s network?
In fact, federation is what enable to centralize the network (arguably the mainstream media’s strength) without having to centralize the power (arguably their misdeed).
If, in your opinion, the problem of big tech is not the centralization of power within a few hands, please explain what it is.

The Fediverse has no real users except the developers themselves

The Fediverse has 5 millions of users. I don’ t think more than 100 of them are developers.

you can checkout hexbear.net which runs an older version of lemmy without federation, they are just as active if not more than lemmygrad (very similar userbase) the only difference is that they don’t have to deal with the inherent problems of federation

Sure, if the goal is to build a filter bubble, then having to communicate with external users can be a problem. To add to this:

well i guess you missed the latest drama on lemmygrad where they where asking to purge all the liberals from lemmy.ml.

Lemmygrad users do not complain about the rest of the Fediverse speaking only about tech and federation, they complain about them disagreeing with their view.

In your example, you are assuming that the Facebook userbase actually cares about the messaging protocol.

When did I say anything of the sort? Why would they have to drop a functionnality just because a lot of people do not care about it? Before, people with no Facebook account could communicate with Facebook users via XMPP. Now they have to create a Facebook account for that. Facebook did not remove the feature because it was convenient for some users, they did it to trap more users in. This is the thing people want to escape with federation.

Please stop jacking off to the mirror.

Quit your bullshit

Just admit it goddamnit, you’re a corporate shill who’s resentful about anything that tries something different.

Be better, stop being so narcissistic.

Just shows how shallow your goddamn worldview is

I think you are abusing the word “ad hominem” here : the words she uses to describe techie freedom enthousiasts are quite hard, but she does have a point that the Fediverse is mostly made of them, as opposed to the more general audience of centralised platforms.

In fact, I am getting much more “ad hominem” vibes from your comments.

Are votes meant to be secret?
From the UI that pretty much copies Reddit's in the regard, it would seem that yes. However, the votes are actually not secret. Maybe they were when they were local, but now they are transmitted to the federated instances. From other platforms, like Friendica, one can actually see the votes as (dis)likes. I can see your votes. Because of Lemmy's UI, it is very easy to believe that the votes are secret, and many users probably assume they are. For example, I am quite sure the ones who use an alt from another instance to double-downvote do make that assumption. I think this fact should be disclosed in a clear way, at least in the instances' sidebar, if not in a banner. From there on, I see two possibilities: * embrace that the votes are not secret, and allow Lemmy user to optionally see them * make the votes actually secret As a Friendica user, who is used to like as a public appreciation mark, I am naturally in favor of the first option, but that is only my personal preference. If the second one is preferred, it means that the other admins should never receive the voters' identities. One should not trust the other admins to just not display them. In fact, I think "never trust the remote admin" should be an important rule in the fediverse, an instance should generally protect its own users rather than expecting others to do it in its stead. In that case, I think it would be appropriate that "Vote" should be an disctinct activity from "Like", and in particular one that cannot be federated with the authors name. Maybe it could be a private thing sent to the Group, who in turn sends a IsVoted activity? This is pure fantasy, I am not qualified to suggest an actual implementation, I just think it should be distinguished from other platforms' public likes.

Feedback : quote-sharing from Friendica
[!lemmy\_support](https://lemmy.ml/c/lemmy_support) I've been playing with quote-sharing and it seems that * it works in comments (cf [1](https://lemmy.ml/post/241819/comment/166815) [2](https://lemmy.ml/post/241819/comment/166808) [3](https://lemmy.ml/post/241819/comment/166803) [4](https://lemmy.ml/post/241819/comment/166800) * it does not work in posts (cf [1](https://nerdica.net/display/a85d7459-1162-63c9-7e6f-59a705817916) [2](https://nerdica.net/display/a85d7459-1862-644b-451f-a59046334474) that do not appear on Lemmy) It can come in handy to cite a post or comment when participating in a discussion, so it would be nice if this all works eventually, although I understand that you probably have lots of more urgent things to do !

A FediToLemmyLab community?
[!fediverse](https://lemmy.ml/c/fediverse) Would you find it useful to have a community dedicated to trying out things from other fedi platforms? Like various formatting, attachments, quotes to posts (and comments). And where people would comment about how it comes through in their own timelines.

Post from Friendica
[!fediverse](https://lemmy.ml/c/fediverse) If I understand correctly, the new release allows me to publish this? [Lemmy Release v0.16.3 - Federation Bug Fixes - Lemmy](https://lemmy.ml/post/222735)