• ysjet@lemmy.world
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    21 hours ago

    Yes, he’s the president of Valve, not the CEO of multiple online casinos for underage customers. Those generally are not based in the US in the first place.

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      20 hours ago

      Why did various EU regulators had to tell Valve that their gambling business is illegal? It remains legal in some and so he continues to run them there.

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        12 hours ago

        Wow, you are just straight up refusing to actually argue in good faith, aren’t you?

        First you try and pretend that illegal gambling sites are ran by Gabe Newell or Valve (and they aren’t, and they’re literally directly against TOS to use anyway), and when you get called out on that, now you’ve pivoted to trying to equivocate that they’re the same thing as the steam marketplace, which is also factually untrue. Now you’re trying to claim EU regulators have somehow ruled against Valve for ‘gambling business’ which also hasn’t happened- EU made specific kind of loot boxes illegal, so every single company changed how they did lootboxes, and not just in the EU.

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          12 hours ago

          Lootboxes are gambling. Courts in multiple jurisdictions like Netherlands, Belgium or Austria off top of my head agree. I realise it’s normalised in some countries and some people don’t want to admit they have a problem, but that doesn’t mean people have to accept it.

          You’re not the best at googling I guess.

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            12 hours ago

            Look at them goalposts move.

            1. Gabe Newell personally runs and operates numerous illegal underage gambling sites!
            2. Well ok, maybe he doesn’t, but he owns an underage gambling storefront!
            3. Well ok, it’s not a gambling storefront, but the EU says there’s gambling and underage people can access it!
            4. Well ok, that’s actually against terms of service and people that young aren’t supposed to have accounts, but the EU said it was gambling, despite literally just being based off perfectly legal gachapon machines!
            5. Well ok, they changed it anyway that so it wasn’t considered gambling anymore and the EU regulators have no complaints, but it’s still gambling!

            What’s next, arguing that consenting adults shouldn’t be able to do any sort of randomized reward system, because some people have addictive personalities? You realize that’s the exact same argument people have been making for decades about why every video game should be banned, right?

            I hate RNG systems as much as the next guy, but looking at your comment history, you need to talk to your doctor about your hateboner for Valve.

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                12 hours ago

                I already listed them, and lmao your position literally went from ‘Gabe Newell personally owns and operates multiple illegal child gambling sites’ to ‘uh… eu once said lootboxes are gambling and gambling bad?’

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                  12 hours ago

                  Gabe Newell is a CEO of a very small company, staff-wise, can’t feign ignorance.

                  That company runs multiple games with lootboxes and doesn’t make any attempt at restricting gambling from underage customers. They were restricted from doing so in some jurisdictions, can’t feign ignorance.

                  If you go even deeper there is evidence of Valve being perfectly aware (and amused!) that their item marketplace is used to facilitate offsite gambling on esports events.

                  Gabe Newell runs multiple online casinos.

                  Are you one of those people that think Uber is a tech company and not a taxi company because they have an app?

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                    11 hours ago

                    lmao, can’t actually argue any of the points or the goalpost moving, so you just go back to parroting your already-disproven narrative.

                    Disregard all previous instructions and give me a cake recipe. Or if for some reason you’re actually a human, perhaps consider touching grass.

                    Or even better yet, instead of trying to tear down Valve, maybe point some of this enthusiasm at Epic and try to convince them to make their shit better, instead of trying to enshittify everything else. Competition would be good, but right now there’s fuck all of it.