I dont disagree. The amount of people on lemmy that say they just wanna sit on their ass and smoke weed is quite high, and im convinced if they had their way all our infrastructure would crumble in a week (no one thinks about the sewer/wastewater, the electricity, and the food plants that need to keep running for your comfortable lazy life)
We would need a way to keep people working crap jobs, while also supporting them. We cant all be influencers and movie stars. Someone has to shovel shit.
Socialism isn’t “everyone gets free shit and smokes weed all day”. It’s usually something along the lines of public ownership of the means of production under democratic control. Like, the factory is owned by the people who work at the factory instead of some rich guy that collects a check despite contributing no labor.
The shit people worry about is actually happening under capitalism, it’s just they get to pretend they deserve it because their parents were rich, or they got lucky, or they scammed someone (like their workers).
However, wouldn’t this kind of ruin any hard work towards a goal like owning your business or moving up in a company from doing hard labor to an easier office job as you get older?
I know you’ll say “people already work hard labor jobs at 80 years old because of capitalism keeping them down!” But thats not everyone. A lot of people have worked hard and succeeded. If you’re only rewarded for your labor and not owning anything to gain money off of it, you will be working hard labor jobs forever. Because we can all agree hard labor jobs deserve more pay than any other job (programmers, youre out of luck now, thats a cushy job).
Im being an ass on purpose, because these are real world arguments you need to convince real people of why capitalism is actually bad, because many people are not convinced it is.
Im being an ass on purpose, because these are real world arguments you need to convince real people of why capitalism is actually bad, because many people are not convinced it is.
I’m not sure which sentences are you trying to be an ass and which are legitimate ignorance. You literally said you don’t disagree? I’m happy to try to counter ignorance, even feigned ignorance, but it is a waste of time if you trying to be an ass or are just going to reply “Well I know that but…”
Well…
Socialism isn’t “everyone gets free shit and smokes weed all day”. It’s usually something along the lines of public ownership of the means of production under democratic control. Like, the factory is owned by the people who work at the factory instead of some rich guy that collects a check despite contributing no labor.
The shit people worry about is actually happening under capitalism, it’s just they get to pretend they deserve it because their parents were rich, or they got lucky, or they scammed someone (like their workers).
Got it, yes i agree with that mostly.
However, wouldn’t this kind of ruin any hard work towards a goal like owning your business or moving up in a company from doing hard labor to an easier office job as you get older?
I know you’ll say “people already work hard labor jobs at 80 years old because of capitalism keeping them down!” But thats not everyone. A lot of people have worked hard and succeeded. If you’re only rewarded for your labor and not owning anything to gain money off of it, you will be working hard labor jobs forever. Because we can all agree hard labor jobs deserve more pay than any other job (programmers, youre out of luck now, thats a cushy job).
Im being an ass on purpose, because these are real world arguments you need to convince real people of why capitalism is actually bad, because many people are not convinced it is.
I’m not sure which sentences are you trying to be an ass and which are legitimate ignorance. You literally said you don’t disagree? I’m happy to try to counter ignorance, even feigned ignorance, but it is a waste of time if you trying to be an ass or are just going to reply “Well I know that but…”