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geneva_convenience@lemmy.mlM to Europe@lemmy.ml ·
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EU supports US invasion of Venezuela by claiming Maduro is an illegitimate president. Refuses to call the US invasion illegitimate.

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EU supports US invasion of Venezuela by claiming Maduro is an illegitimate president. Refuses to call the US invasion illegitimate.

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  • Eat_Your_Paisley@lemmy.world
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    He wasn’t legitimate

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      More legitimate than what the US is up to.

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        About the same

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          Nope.

    • geneva_convenience@lemmy.mlOPM
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      Guess Zelensky isn’t a legitimate president either, now Russia gets to invade Ukraine!

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        No, legitimacy depends on how much you kowtow towards the US.

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        • geneva_convenience@lemmy.mlOPM
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          What do you mean? Zelensky’s term has long ended.

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            From what I understand, the Ukrainian constitution does not allow (national) elections under martial law. It also doesn’t allow amending the constitution under martial law either IIRC, so basically Zelenskyy is president until martial law ends.

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              The martial law which he himself declares.

              Same schtick different justification.

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                Given that it’s allowed by their constitution, you can’t really say it’s illegitimate. You may not like it, but it’s perfectly in line with Ukraine’s laws.

                Also, if there’s ever a time to declare martial law, it’s when your country is actively being invaded.

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                  Okay cool so Putin and Xi are also legitimate because they were clearly allowed to changed their own laws.

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                    Pretty sure the point is they had to change them to be allowed to continue ruling, whereas Zelenksyy just used the existing laws and constitution as-is.

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        That’s literally the claim they’d been making since 2014.

        US is playing by the Russian playbook right now. And EU decided to play along.

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          Where did Putin say “We’re gonna take the oil! We’re gonna grab it and take it!”?

          Where does Trump claim that Venezuela is part the US, that it’s like an independent Texas overrun with Chinese puppet president suppressing the areas of Texas left where people still want to be part of the US and that is worried on whether nukes will be placed in those areas?

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        How is Zelensky not a legitimate head of state? He won his election without rigging.

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          He isn’t since April 2024 and is using martial law to keep himself in power despite not being able to sue for peace

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          Nuland did the rigging

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        Russia did invade and has tried to multiple times to assasinate him

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      Bolivia, Honduras, Cuba, Nicaragua, Russia, China, DPRK, Syria, and many more recognized Maduro officially. Further, Mexico, Colombia, etc that expressed caution initially did end up attending Maduro’s innaguration and expressed their congratulations. There’s no evidence that Maduro did not win the election.

      Further, Maduro was not a dictator. Venezuela has a strong left organization at the grassroots level, supported by the state. The fascists that the US Empire planted there like Machado are certainly going to try a coup, but the people’s millitias likely will not let that happen, and will instead rally around the government.

      By legitimizing the empire’s lies, you’re supporting their narrative that Venezuela is some hellhole yearning for the US empire to liberate them, and not a budding socialist country in the empire’s backyard.

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          MOE is partnered with the National Endowment for Democracy, an anti-communist consent manufacturing machine of the US Empire, as well as with the EU. It’s headquartered in Colombia, which is well-known for US presence. This “evidence” is zilch.

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      He absolutely was legitimate, the US tried to manufacture consent to overthrow Maduro the same way Trump tried to claim the 2020 election was stolen. This is the same people, same playbook.

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        Bolivia, Honduras, Cuba, Nicaragua, Russia, China, DPRK, Syria, and many more recognized Maduro officially. Further, Mexico, Colombia, etc that expressed caution initially did end up attending Maduro’s innaguration and expressed their congratulations. There’s no evidence that Maduro did not win the election.

        Further, Maduro was not a dictator. Venezuela has a strong left organization at the grassroots level, supported by the state. The fascists that the US Empire planted there like Machado are certainly going to try a coup, but the people’s millitias likely will not let that happen, and will instead rally around the government.

        By legitimizing the empire’s lies, you’re supporting their narrative that Venezuela is some hellhole yearning for the US empire to liberate them, and not a budding socialist country in the empire’s backyard.

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            MOE is partnered with the National Endowment for Democracy, an anti-communist consent manufacturing machine of the US Empire, as well as with the EU. It’s headquartered in Colombia, which is well-known for US presence. This “evidence” is zilch.

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