So now we can add “directly capturing a sovereign leader” to the list of crap the US has done. So what do you think will actually be “the straw that broke the camels back” for world leaders to actually do something? Think it’ll be significant or something mundane?
World leaders should:
China and Russia are already doing most of these. So they’re not afraid to raise their voice against America.
Japan and UK (both struggling economies) hold the highest amount of US debt. Third is China which is steadily selling.
Giving all power to China, would corrupt it almost instantly, and turn it into USA V2. I don’t recommend leaving all power in one country, if you want prosperity.
China is already extremely corrupt, they’re simply using militarised corruption instead of a military to exploit developing countries.
China built infrastructure in Venezuela and paid for their oil. The US kidnapped their leader and claimed all of Venezuela’s oil.
I think I prefer one over the other.
Sure, they built a shit load of infrastructure here as well. For example we had the most expensive highway built by Chinese prisoners, and paid for by Chinese loans. It not only started to show wear less then a year in, but there are sections that are literally expected to collapse.
We had the most expensive reconstruction done by Chinese workers, the ceiling collapsed and killed a bunch of people.
And so on, etc…
Now they’re in talks to turn over every remaining national resource to them, to cover a part of the great work they’ve done so far, while Chinese companies are literally releasing unprocessed toxic waste into rivers.
It’s nice to have a preference in the taste of the boot standing on your face…
Even if all of it is true, I’d prefer weak infra and getting paid for my oil over being bombed and having all my oil stolen.
Europe pretends they don’t pollute the environment. The truth is Europe simply moved their polluting industries like steel and concrete production to third world countries. And you have the audacity to blame them for polluting the environment.
The infrastructure cracking might just be your prejudice, meaning you already believed they would be low quality.
The truth is they built 30,000 bridges in Guizhou province of China. China has the largest population in the world. Some bridges have fallen, but it’s because Guizhou province is a mountainous region, prone to earthquakes.
About slave labour, Chinese labour is paid more than Indian labour but I’ve never heard anyone call Indian labour slaves. It implies, it’s just CIA propaganda to bad mouth China. To be fair, their low wage is enough to live a better life than most Americans since everything is so cheap in China.
So I should be fine with Chinese companies doing whatever they want in my country?Tire factory releasing toxic waste directly into a river? Not a problem… The absolute ecological destruction from a copper strip mine? It’s an improvement over farmland and forests…
Sure buddy, 16 people dead from a restored roof is my prejudice. A railroad bridge with breaking supports must be my racism. Tofu dreg practices like filling cracked foundations with foam must be the standard in developed countries? Multiple sections of the highway being closed down for renovations less than a month after the opening ceremony? Standard practice. Experts saying a newly opened tunnel will collapse is just panic I guess…
Read again, PRISON labour. And I don’t need the CIA to see the prison camps with my own eyes, and I most definitely don’t need it to smell the camps in the winter since they have no hot water. Again, standard practice in the developing world, we’re certainly not the first to have imported Chinese prisoners…
But while we’re on the topic of slave labour, we’ve got that too…
https://balkaninsight.com/2021/01/26/like-prisoners-chinese-workers-in-serbia-complain-of-exploitation/
https://balkaninsight.com/2024/03/13/modus-operandi-chinese-firms-trail-of-debt-labour-exploitation-in-serbia/
https://www.euractiv.com/news/european-parliament-denounces-chinese-influence-modern-slavery-in-serbia/
Can you guess which Chinese company was developing the highway I mentioned is using prison labour? You won’t believe it, but it’s the one using slave labour…
I think this is the first time I’ve seen someone from Lemmy.ml admit something negative about China.
To me it seems that the US, China, and Russia are all behaving imperialistically, which is pretty worrying.
It’ll be the first world war that isn’t just an overblown family dispute.
“when you think about it, China trading with other countries is just as bad as us carpet bombing them”
Yeah it’s great we built the most expensive highway in the world using Chinese prison labour, on Chinese loans, and it’s falling apart less then a year in. It’s perfectly fine that there are a 1000 different schemes draining the budget and literally killing people with tofu dreg construction. I guess we should feel lucky Chinese companies will take over national parks, waterways, and exploit every single resource until there’s only a toxic wasteland left…
Source for any of those claims?
The same group that’s talked about in the first article has built the highway I’m talking about, but I can’t find an article with a good overview.
Google “developing countries debt trap China” and you’ll find plenty of articles on the overall scheme, these are just some examples from my country.
https://balkaninsight.com/2024/03/13/modus-operandi-chinese-firms-trail-of-debt-labour-exploitation-in-serbia/
https://serbia-business.eu/ssp-criticizes-slow-pace-and-high-costs-of-serbias-milos-veliki-highway-construction/
https://balkaninsight.com/2021/01/26/like-prisoners-chinese-workers-in-serbia-complain-of-exploitation/
https://balkaninsight.com/2025/01/15/us-bans-imports-from-chinese-investor-in-serbia-citing-rights-abuses/
https://www.greeneuropeanjournal.eu/chinas-rush-for-serbias-minerals/
Then we have the tragedy that started off the mass protests to take down the corrupt regime
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novi_Sad_railway_station_canopy_collapse
https://chinaobservers.eu/the-novi-sad-railway-station-collapse-the-cost-of-sino-serbian-infrastructure-deals/
If you don’t like my sources, you know what to search for now, this is just what I found quickly.
Just like power has corrupted America, Britain and other European nations in the past.
That’s why we’re going for a multi-polar world this time. No country’s currency will be the reserve currency. We can use Gold or bitcoin instead.
I don’t want to give all power to China.
Or the European TARGET system. Already in place, and works like a charm.
SWIFT is also european.
Russia was banned from SWIFT but Israel wasn’t so I don’t trust it. We need something without American influence.
You think Israel has no influence in Europe? TARGET or SWIFT doesn’t make a difference.
Israel has no influence in China. So CIPS would be better choice.
I’d go any day with something controlled by the ECB instead of the CCP.
And don’t have any special antipathy vs the Chinese.
The EU was quick to sanction Russia but when America attacked Venezuela, they are “closely monitoring”. No sanctions for Israel either.
I wouldn’t be comfortable with this hypocrisy in an ideal world.
“quick” like within a couple of days? I think we were all watching tanks roll towards Kiev and amazed that Russia didn’t have air superiority yet.
Lmao give China more power
European capitalists already did by moving all factories to China.
Every country in the world already trades with China, it’s impossible not to. So why not use their currency?
Why use authoritarian currency?
Like USD?
Why use authoritarian currency indeed.
Why do Europe and America trade so much with the authoritarian regime?
Don’t say the people are good but you have a problem with the regime. It’s the regime that developed China in the past 39 years.
I think you don’t understand how world reserve currency works. It has to be at least influencable by other countries. Nothing can influence Yuan - it’ll never be a world reserve currency.
Sounds like an ideal reserve currency when you put it that way tbh
I think it’s fair to leave this thread at that then cause ya hopeless lmao
Right! I’m shocked anyone would want that. I just told someone else it’s like leaving an abusive partner for an even more abusive partner. I’ve noticed countries being pushed towards China after the US went even more crazy after Trump winning. I believe they are making a mistake. Japan, South Korea and Taiwan could fulfill most of the same needs as China does and do so better. Just as a random example Japanese capacitors are known for their high quality. Japan and China both supply capacitors. Why not bolster Japan’s instead of China’s?
Japan and Korea are small over worked nations I don’t think they’ll be able to handle so much demand.
You forgot about all intra-continental internet cables going through US routers and oil being traded in USD.
I mentioned oil. Stop doing ALL trades in USD. Use Euro, Yuan or gold.
The cables tho, we’ll have to build new ones, something no single country can control.
Pretty sure this is what the techno-garchs want.